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From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Geliang Tang <geliangtang@163.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Bhaktipriya Shridhar <bhaktipriya96@gmail.com>,
	"GeyslanG.Bem@Karyakshetra" <geyslan@gmail.com>,
	Masanari Iida <standby24x7@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	Saurabh Karajgaonkar <skarajga@visteon.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] usb: host: u132-hcd: Remove deprecated create_singlethread_workqueue
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 10:06:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1470125172.30985.4.camel@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160801142005.GB2542@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Mon, 2016-08-01 at 10:20 -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,

> > If any real IO depends on those devices then this is not sufficient and
> > they need some form of guarantee for progress (aka mempool).
> 
> Oliver, Alan, what do you think?  If USB itself can't operate without
> allocating memory during transactions, whatever USB storage drivers

It cannot. The IO must be described to the hardware with a data
structure in memory.

> are doing isn't all that meaningful.  Can we proceed with the
> workqueue patches?  Also, it could be that the only thing GFP_NOIO and
> GFP_ATOMIC are doing is increasing the chance of IO failures under
> memory pressure.  Maybe it'd be a good idea to reconsider the
> approach?

We had actual deadlocks with GFP_KERNEL. It seems to me that the SCSI
layer can deal with IO that cannot be completed due to a lack of memory
at least somewhat, but a deadlock within a driver would obviously be
deadly. So I don't think that mempools would remove the need for
GFP_NOIO as there are places in usbcore we cannot enter the page
laundering path from. They are an additional need.

	Regards
		Oliver

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-02  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-27  9:20 [RFC] usb: host: u132-hcd: Remove deprecated create_singlethread_workqueue Bhaktipriya Shridhar
2016-07-27  9:29 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-07-27 18:00   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-27 18:54     ` Alan Stern
2016-07-27 19:23       ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-27 20:45         ` Alan Stern
2016-07-29 13:11           ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-01 13:50             ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-01 14:20               ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-01 18:00                 ` Alan Stern
2016-08-01 18:28                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-02  8:06                 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2016-08-02  8:18                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-02 10:03                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-08-02 11:34                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-02 11:44                         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-08-02 12:48                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-02 13:29                             ` Oliver Neukum
2016-08-02 19:02                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-02 21:26                                 ` Michal Hocko

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