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From: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: linux.git: printk() problem
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:33:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1477254821.3561.8.camel@perches.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwOBR6z55r2abAT_TuYTHfyuc8f75B2+Z7+Lhr9fzSZRA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 2016-10-23 at 12:32 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-10-23 at 11:11 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > 
> > > And those two per se sound fairly easy to handle ("KERN_CONT means
> > > append to the line buffer, otherwise flush the line buffer and move to
> > > the record buffer").
> > > 
> > > But what complicates things more is then the "console output", which
> > > has two issues:
> > > 
> > >  - it is done outside the locking regime for the line buffer and the
> > > record buffer.
> > > 
> > >  - it is done on _partial_ line buffers.
> > 
> > 
> > EOL KERN_<LEVEL> and thread interleaving still exists.
> 
> 
> Note that the thread interleaving is still trivial: it's easily done
> at the point where we decide "can we append to the line buffer or
> not". That's pretty simple. Just flush the record when the thread
> changes.
> 
> So the interleaving will never go away, it's very fundamental - unless
> we make the line buffer just be a per-thread thing. And yes, that
> would be the cleanest solution, but it's also an extra buffer for each
> thread, so realistically it's just not going to happen.

I doubt there are cases where more than a few of
these interleaving threads are simultaneous.

Perhaps it could be a pool of active thread
continuation buffers.  

> End result: I'm not worried about the interleaving. It will cause ugly
> output, but we've always had that, and the solution to it is "if you
> absolutely don't want interleaving, then don't try to print partial
> lines!".
> The classic "don't do that then" response, in other world.

Yup, best solution.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-10-23 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-12 13:30 linux.git: printk() problem Tetsuo Handa
2016-10-12 14:35 ` Michal Hocko
2016-10-12 16:08   ` Joe Perches
2016-10-13  6:26     ` Michal Hocko
2016-10-13  9:29       ` Joe Perches
2016-10-13 10:04         ` Michal Hocko
2016-10-13 10:20           ` Joe Perches
2016-10-13 11:06             ` Michal Hocko
2016-10-12 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-12 16:16   ` Joe Perches
2016-10-12 16:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-12 18:50       ` [PATCH] acpi_os_vprintf: Use printk_get_level() to avoid unnecessary KERN_CONT Joe Perches
2016-10-13 21:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-23  9:22   ` linux.git: printk() problem Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-10-23 18:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-23 19:06       ` Joe Perches
2016-10-23 19:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-23 19:46           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-24 11:15             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-10-24 14:08             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-24 14:23               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-24 17:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-24 17:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-25  1:55                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-25  2:06                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-25  2:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-25  4:06                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-25  4:13                           ` Joe Perches
2016-10-25  4:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-25  4:44                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-25 14:44                         ` Petr Mladek
2016-11-09 15:47                         ` Petr Mladek
2016-10-25  2:24                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-23 20:33           ` Joe Perches [this message]
2016-10-23 21:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-25 14:42       ` Steven Rostedt

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