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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [tip:x86/core] x86: Enable Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:35:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1480354558.3064.28.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161128085102.GA17652@gmail.com>

On Mon, 2016-11-28 at 09:51 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +#include <linux/sched.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/cpumask.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/cpuset.h>
> > > > +#include <asm/mutex.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/sched.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/sysctl.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/nodemask.h>
> > > arch/x86/kernel/itmt.c:26:23: fatal error: asm/mutex.h: No such file or directory
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +config SCHED_ITMT
> > > > +	bool "Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology (ITMT) scheduler support"
> > > > +	depends on SCHED_MC && CPU_SUP_INTEL && X86_INTEL_PSTATE
> > > > +	---help---
> > > > +	  ITMT enabled scheduler support improves the CPU scheduler's decision
> > > > +	  to move tasks to cpu core that can be boosted to a higher frequency
> > > > +	  than others. It will have better performance at a cost of slightly
> > > > +	  increased overhead in task migrations. If unsure say N here.
> > > Argh, so the 'itmt' name really sucks as well - could we please make it something 
> > > more obvious - like SCHED_INTEL_TURBO or so - and similarly rename the file as 
> > > well?
> > > 
> > > The sched_intel_turbo.c file could thus host all things related to scheduler 
> > > support of turbo frequencies - it shouldn't be named after the Intel acronym of 
> > > the day...
> > It would be nice to come up with such nitpicks during review. This thing went 
> > through 8 iterations, but nothing came up and I didn't mind the itmt naming.
> Yeah, so I had to NAK an early iteration and didn't get around to doing a really 
> detailed review yet - and after (falsely) thinking it had a build failure I got 
> overly worked up about the bad naming: my bad and apologies!
> 
> So the code looks good to me but the naming still sucks a bit - I'm fine with 
> having the commits re-merged as-is and renaming the Kconfig variable to something 
> more expressive: I've done this in tip:sched/core and have fixed the asm/mutex.h 
> thing as well.
> 
> Wrt. improving the naming:
> 
> Firstly, popular tech news has coined the 'Turbo Boost Max' technology 'TBM' (TBM2 
> and TBM3) as the natural acronym of the Intel feature - not 'ITMT'. So to anyone 
> except people well aware of Intel acronyms the term 'ITMT' will be pretty 
> meaningless.
> 
> Does something more generic like SCHED_MC_PRIO (as an extension to SCHED_MC) work 
> with everyone? Intel Turbo Max 3.0 is the current (only) implementation of it, but 
> I don't think the technology will stop at that stage as dies are getting larger 
> but thinner.
> 
> I also think the Kconfig text is somewhat misleading and the default-disabled 
> status is counterproductive:
> 
> +config SCHED_ITMT
> +       bool "Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology (ITMT) scheduler support"
> +       depends on SCHED_MC && CPU_SUP_INTEL && X86_INTEL_PSTATE
> +       ---help---
> +         ITMT enabled scheduler support improves the CPU scheduler's decision
> +         to move tasks to cpu core that can be boosted to a higher frequency
> +         than others. It will have better performance at a cost of slightly
> +         increased overhead in task migrations. If unsure say N here.
> 
> ... the extra cost of smarter CPU selection is IMHO overwhelmed by the negative 
> effects of not knowing about core frequency ordering, on most workloads.
> 
> A better default would be default-y I believe (that is what we do for CPU hardware 
> enablement typically), and a better description would be something like:
> 
> +config SCHED_MC_PRIO
> +       bool "CPU core priorities scheduler support"
> +       depends on SCHED_MC && CPU_SUP_INTEL && X86_INTEL_PSTATE
> +	default y
> +       ---help---
> +       Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0 enabled CPUs have a core ordering determined at 
> +	manufacturing time, which allows certain cores to reach higher turbo
> +	frequencies (when running single threaded workloads) than others.
> +
> +	Enabling this kernel feature teaches the scheduler about the TBM3 priority
> +	order of the CPU cores and adjusts the scheduler's CPU selection logic 
> +	accordingly, so that higher overall system performance can be achieved.
> +
> +	This feature will have no effect on CPUs without this feature.
> +
> +	If unsure say Y here.
> 
> If/when other architectures make use of this the Kconfig entry can be moved into 
> the scheduler Kconfig - but for the time being it can stay in arch/x86/.
> 
> Another variant would be to eliminate the Kconfig option altogether and make it a 
> natural feature of SCHED_MC (like it is in the core scheduler).
> 

I am fine with renaming SCHED_ITMT to SCHED_MC_PRIO.  Patch 7 and 8 that
Rafael merged into his tree also have SCHED_ITMT so they will need to
be updated if we renamed it.

Thanks.

Tim

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-28 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-22 20:23 [PATCH v8 0/8] Support Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 1/8] sched: Extend scheduler's asym packing Tim Chen
2016-11-23 13:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-23 17:32     ` Tim Chen
2016-11-24 13:25   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 2/8] x86/topology: Define x86's arch_update_cpu_topology Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:52   ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 3/8] x86: Enable Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:52   ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-25  8:19     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-25  8:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 19:06       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-11-28  8:51         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-28 17:35           ` Tim Chen [this message]
2016-11-28 23:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-11-29  7:11             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-29 18:45               ` Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 4/8] x86/sysctl: Add sysctl for ITMT scheduling feature Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:53   ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-28  8:56   ` [PATCH v8 4/8] " Borislav Petkov
2016-11-29 17:30     ` Tim Chen
2016-11-29 17:51       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 5/8] x86/sched: Add SD_ASYM_PACKING flags to x86 ITMT CPU Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:53   ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 6/8] acpi: bus: Enable HWP CPPC objects Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:54   ` [tip:x86/core] acpi/bus: " tip-bot for Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 7/8] acpi: bus: Set _OSC for diverse core support Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:54   ` [tip:x86/core] acpi/bus: " tip-bot for Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-11-22 20:24 ` [PATCH v8 8/8] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Use CPPC to get max performance Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:55   ` [tip:x86/core] cpufreq/intel_pstate: " tip-bot for Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-07 19:06   ` [PATCH v8 8/8] cpufreq: intel_pstate: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-07 23:12     ` Tim Chen
2016-12-07 23:29       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-09 14:45         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-09 15:02           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-09 23:52             ` [PATCH] ACPI / CPPC: Fix per-CPU pointers management Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-10 18:51               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-12  1:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-14  2:26               ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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