From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, hpa@zytor.com,
srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [tip:x86/core] x86: Enable Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:35:58 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1480354558.3064.28.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161128085102.GA17652@gmail.com>
On Mon, 2016-11-28 at 09:51 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > +#include <linux/sched.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/cpumask.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/cpuset.h>
> > > > +#include <asm/mutex.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/sched.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/sysctl.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/nodemask.h>
> > > arch/x86/kernel/itmt.c:26:23: fatal error: asm/mutex.h: No such file or directory
> > >
> > > >
> > > > +config SCHED_ITMT
> > > > + bool "Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology (ITMT) scheduler support"
> > > > + depends on SCHED_MC && CPU_SUP_INTEL && X86_INTEL_PSTATE
> > > > + ---help---
> > > > + ITMT enabled scheduler support improves the CPU scheduler's decision
> > > > + to move tasks to cpu core that can be boosted to a higher frequency
> > > > + than others. It will have better performance at a cost of slightly
> > > > + increased overhead in task migrations. If unsure say N here.
> > > Argh, so the 'itmt' name really sucks as well - could we please make it something
> > > more obvious - like SCHED_INTEL_TURBO or so - and similarly rename the file as
> > > well?
> > >
> > > The sched_intel_turbo.c file could thus host all things related to scheduler
> > > support of turbo frequencies - it shouldn't be named after the Intel acronym of
> > > the day...
> > It would be nice to come up with such nitpicks during review. This thing went
> > through 8 iterations, but nothing came up and I didn't mind the itmt naming.
> Yeah, so I had to NAK an early iteration and didn't get around to doing a really
> detailed review yet - and after (falsely) thinking it had a build failure I got
> overly worked up about the bad naming: my bad and apologies!
>
> So the code looks good to me but the naming still sucks a bit - I'm fine with
> having the commits re-merged as-is and renaming the Kconfig variable to something
> more expressive: I've done this in tip:sched/core and have fixed the asm/mutex.h
> thing as well.
>
> Wrt. improving the naming:
>
> Firstly, popular tech news has coined the 'Turbo Boost Max' technology 'TBM' (TBM2
> and TBM3) as the natural acronym of the Intel feature - not 'ITMT'. So to anyone
> except people well aware of Intel acronyms the term 'ITMT' will be pretty
> meaningless.
>
> Does something more generic like SCHED_MC_PRIO (as an extension to SCHED_MC) work
> with everyone? Intel Turbo Max 3.0 is the current (only) implementation of it, but
> I don't think the technology will stop at that stage as dies are getting larger
> but thinner.
>
> I also think the Kconfig text is somewhat misleading and the default-disabled
> status is counterproductive:
>
> +config SCHED_ITMT
> + bool "Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology (ITMT) scheduler support"
> + depends on SCHED_MC && CPU_SUP_INTEL && X86_INTEL_PSTATE
> + ---help---
> + ITMT enabled scheduler support improves the CPU scheduler's decision
> + to move tasks to cpu core that can be boosted to a higher frequency
> + than others. It will have better performance at a cost of slightly
> + increased overhead in task migrations. If unsure say N here.
>
> ... the extra cost of smarter CPU selection is IMHO overwhelmed by the negative
> effects of not knowing about core frequency ordering, on most workloads.
>
> A better default would be default-y I believe (that is what we do for CPU hardware
> enablement typically), and a better description would be something like:
>
> +config SCHED_MC_PRIO
> + bool "CPU core priorities scheduler support"
> + depends on SCHED_MC && CPU_SUP_INTEL && X86_INTEL_PSTATE
> + default y
> + ---help---
> + Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0 enabled CPUs have a core ordering determined at
> + manufacturing time, which allows certain cores to reach higher turbo
> + frequencies (when running single threaded workloads) than others.
> +
> + Enabling this kernel feature teaches the scheduler about the TBM3 priority
> + order of the CPU cores and adjusts the scheduler's CPU selection logic
> + accordingly, so that higher overall system performance can be achieved.
> +
> + This feature will have no effect on CPUs without this feature.
> +
> + If unsure say Y here.
>
> If/when other architectures make use of this the Kconfig entry can be moved into
> the scheduler Kconfig - but for the time being it can stay in arch/x86/.
>
> Another variant would be to eliminate the Kconfig option altogether and make it a
> natural feature of SCHED_MC (like it is in the core scheduler).
>
I am fine with renaming SCHED_ITMT to SCHED_MC_PRIO. Patch 7 and 8 that
Rafael merged into his tree also have SCHED_ITMT so they will need to
be updated if we renamed it.
Thanks.
Tim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-11-28 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-22 20:23 [PATCH v8 0/8] Support Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 1/8] sched: Extend scheduler's asym packing Tim Chen
2016-11-23 13:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-23 17:32 ` Tim Chen
2016-11-24 13:25 ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 2/8] x86/topology: Define x86's arch_update_cpu_topology Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:52 ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 3/8] x86: Enable Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:52 ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-25 8:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-25 8:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 19:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-11-28 8:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-28 17:35 ` Tim Chen [this message]
2016-11-28 23:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-11-29 7:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-11-29 18:45 ` Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 4/8] x86/sysctl: Add sysctl for ITMT scheduling feature Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:53 ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-28 8:56 ` [PATCH v8 4/8] " Borislav Petkov
2016-11-29 17:30 ` Tim Chen
2016-11-29 17:51 ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 5/8] x86/sched: Add SD_ASYM_PACKING flags to x86 ITMT CPU Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:53 ` [tip:x86/core] " tip-bot for Tim Chen
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 6/8] acpi: bus: Enable HWP CPPC objects Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:54 ` [tip:x86/core] acpi/bus: " tip-bot for Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-11-22 20:23 ` [PATCH v8 7/8] acpi: bus: Set _OSC for diverse core support Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:54 ` [tip:x86/core] acpi/bus: " tip-bot for Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-11-22 20:24 ` [PATCH v8 8/8] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Use CPPC to get max performance Tim Chen
2016-11-24 19:55 ` [tip:x86/core] cpufreq/intel_pstate: " tip-bot for Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-07 19:06 ` [PATCH v8 8/8] cpufreq: intel_pstate: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-07 23:12 ` Tim Chen
2016-12-07 23:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-09 14:45 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-09 15:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-09 23:52 ` [PATCH] ACPI / CPPC: Fix per-CPU pointers management Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-10 18:51 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-12 1:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-12-14 2:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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