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From: "Jürg Billeter" <j@bitron.ch>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prctl: add PR_[GS]ET_PDEATHSIG_PROC
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:54:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1505242495.5111.82.camel@bitron.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170912170544.GA32121@redhat.com>

Hi Oleg,

Thanks for the review.

On Tue, 2017-09-12 at 19:05 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 09/09, Jürg Billeter wrote:
> > Unlike
> > PR_SET_PDEATHSIG, this is inherited across fork to allow killing a whole
> > subtree without race conditions.
> 
> but I am still not sure this is right... at least I can't understand the
> "without race conditions" above.
> 
> IOW, the child can do prctl(PR_SET_PDEATHSIG_PROC, SIGKILL) right after fork(),
> why this is not enough to kill a whole subtree without race conditions?

What if the parent dies between fork() and prctl()? Besides avoiding
this race condition, it also makes it relatively easy to enforce
PDEATHSIG_PROC for all descendants of a process. You simply set
PDEATHSIG_PROC and then block further changes using seccomp (and set
no_new_privs) to avoid runaway children.

> OTOH. If you want to kill a whole sub-tree then perhaps the exiting process
> should simply send the ->pdeath_signal_proc to the whole sub-tree? Not that
> I really think this makes more sense, but if we add the new API we should
> discuss everything we can.

While this would likely work for my use case of avoiding runaway
processes, I don't think it would make sense for non-SIGKILL use cases
of cooperating processes. Inheritance across fork still allows
resetting PDEATHSIG_PROC in the child after fork and I don't expect the
parent death race to be a significant issue in the case of cooperating
processes.

> Say, CLONE_PARENT. Should it succeed if ->pdeath_signal_proc != 0 ?

Yes, I don't see an issue with that. The new process will be a sibling
and inheriting pdeath_signal_proc seems sensible to me for this.

Jürg

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-12 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-09  9:40 [PATCH] prctl: add PR_[GS]ET_PDEATHSIG_PROC Jürg Billeter
2017-09-12 17:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-09-12 18:54   ` Jürg Billeter [this message]
2017-09-13 17:11     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-09-13 17:26       ` Jürg Billeter
2017-09-13 17:48         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-09-29 12:30 ` [RESEND PATCH] " Jürg Billeter
2017-10-02 23:20   ` Andrew Morton
2017-10-03  3:25     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03  6:45       ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-03 14:46         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 16:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-03 16:36             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 17:02               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-03 19:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 20:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-03 20:32                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 17:00           ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-03 17:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 17:47               ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-03 19:05                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-05 16:27             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-10-08 17:47               ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-09 16:32                 ` Eric W. Biederman

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