From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752414AbdJPNLE (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:11:04 -0400 Received: from twosheds.infradead.org ([90.155.92.209]:34414 "EHLO twosheds.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751637AbdJPNLD (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1508159461.6297.134.camel@infradead.org> Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy From: David Woodhouse To: Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20171016092515.GA29207@kroah.com> References: <20171016092515.GA29207@kroah.com> Face: 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 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-L5LUXeqWxqTMqW3cBiRy" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:11:01 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by twosheds.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-L5LUXeqWxqTMqW3cBiRy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > license enforcement policy >=20 > Here's a pull request to add a new file to the kernel's Documentation dir= ectory. > It adds a short document describing the views of how the Linux kernel com= munity > feels about enforcing the license of the kernel. >=20 > The patch has been reviewed by a large number of kernel developers alread= y, as > seen by their acks on the patch, and their agreement of the statement wit= h > their names on it.=C2=A0=C2=A0The location of the file was also agreed up= on by the > Documentation maintainer, so all should be good there. >=20 > For some background information about this statement, see this article > written by some of the kernel developers involved in drafting it: > http://kroah.com/log/blog/2017/10/16/linux-kernel-community-enforcement-= statement/ > and this article that answers a number of questions that came up in the > discussion of this statement with the kernel developer community: > http://kroah.com/log/blog/2017/10/16/linux-kernel-community-enforcement-= statement-faq/ >=20 > If anyone has any further questions about it, please let me, and the TAB > members, know and we will be glad to help answer them. It's a shame you don't explicitly mention the FSF's / Conservancy's Principles of Community-Oriented GPL Enforcement: https://www.fsf.org/licensing/enforcement-principles I think this approach is a good thing in general, and I know Conservancy have been talking about it for a while, including conversations with the TAB on early drafts of this =E2=80=94 but I'm a litt= le concerned that what we've ended up with is a bit one-sided. We're giving something away, for nothing in return. In the long period of negotiation with violators, what typically happens is they keep providing "candidate" source releases which are ever closer to being compliant, but rarely *actually* compliant. With a binding promise to forgive them for past violations as soon as they're fixed, we basically lose one of the few levers we had to encourage them to come *completely* into compliance. Now I fear some of them will only ever come close enough that they know we won't actually take the last resort of legal action, purely for what *remains* to be fixed. This would have been better if it specified that it applied to *unintentional* violations, and also gave a time limit =E2=80=94 automatic reinstatement *only* happens if complete compliance is achieved within 90 days, for example. That would help genuine developers who are only *accidentally* committing a criminal offence through not paying enough attention, while not giving succour to those who intentionally do so. --=-L5LUXeqWxqTMqW3cBiRy Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCDzUw ggSvMIIDl6ADAgECAhEA4CPLFRKDU4mtYW56VGdrITANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBvMQswCQYDVQQG EwJTRTEUMBIGA1UEChMLQWRkVHJ1c3QgQUIxJjAkBgNVBAsTHUFkZFRydXN0IEV4dGVybmFsIFRU UCBOZXR3b3JrMSIwIAYDVQQDExlBZGRUcnVzdCBFeHRlcm5hbCBDQSBSb290MB4XDTE0MTIyMjAw MDAwMFoXDTIwMDUzMDEwNDgzOFowgZsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdCMRswGQYDVQQIExJHcmVhdGVyIE1h bmNoZXN0ZXIxEDAOBgNVBAcTB1NhbGZvcmQxGjAYBgNVBAoTEUNPTU9ETyBDQSBMaW1pdGVkMUEw PwYDVQQDEzhDT01PRE8gU0hBLTI1NiBDbGllbnQgQXV0aGVudGljYXRpb24gYW5kIFNlY3VyZSBF bWFpbCBDQTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAImxDdp6UxlOcFIdvFamBia3 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