From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
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Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] Restartable sequences system call
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1547727714.7430.1470850839903.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWrQWFg-r5+rhiSi3veoLiipxH+TJkTxKXkBpCahadV_g@mail.gmail.com>
----- On Aug 10, 2016, at 4:01 AM, Andy Lutomirski luto@amacapital.net wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>> However, I'm thinking maybe we can use some tricks to avoid unnecessary
>> aborts-on-preemption.
>>
>> First of all, I notice we haven't make any constraint on what kind of
>> memory objects could be "protected" by rseq critical sections yet. And I
>> think this is something we should decide before adding this feature into
>> kernel.
>>
>> We can do some optimization if we have some constraints. For example, if
>> the memory objects inside the rseq critical sections could only be
>> modified by userspace programs, we therefore don't need to abort
>> immediately when userspace task -> kernel task context switch.
>
> True, although trying to do a syscall in an rseq critical section
> seems like a bad idea in general.
The scenario above does not require the rseq critical section to perform
an explicit system call. It can happen from simple timer-driven preemption
of user-space.
<snip>
>
> But do we need to protect MAP_SHARED objects? If not, maybe we could
> only track context switches between different tasks sharing the same
> mm.
I have tracing use-cases involving MAP_SHARED objects for rseq: per-cpu
buffers.
Moreover, if you only track context switch between tasks with the same
mm, you run into issues if you have:
Process A
Thread 1 (rseq)
Thread 2 (rseq)
Process B
Thread 1
Scheduling: A.1 -> B.1 -> A.2 -> B.1 -> A.1
There is no scheduling between threads of the same process here, but
the entire chain involves two threads of the same process accessing
the same per-cpu data concurrently.
Thanks,
Mathieu
>
> --Andy
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-10 18:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-21 21:14 [RFC PATCH v7 0/7] Restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-25 23:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-26 3:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-03 12:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 16:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-08-04 5:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04 4:27 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-04 5:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-09 16:13 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-10 8:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 17:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2016-08-10 17:33 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 4:54 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-10 8:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-08-10 16:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 16:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-07-27 15:03 ` Boqun Feng
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 1/4] rseq/param_test: Convert test_data_entry::count to intptr_t Boqun Feng
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 2/4] Restartable sequences: powerpc architecture support Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 3/4] Restartable sequences: Wire up powerpc system call Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 4/4] Restartable sequences: Add self-tests for PPC Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 2:59 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 4:43 ` Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 7:37 ` [RFC v2] " Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 14:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 13:42 ` [RFC 4/4] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 3:07 ` [RFC 1/4] rseq/param_test: Convert test_data_entry::count to intptr_t Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 3:10 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] Restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-03 13:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 14:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-03 15:45 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-07 15:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-07 23:35 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-09 13:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-09 20:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-09 21:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-09 22:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 7:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 13:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 13:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 14:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 8:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 19:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 19:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 20:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 20:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 21:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 7:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 8:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 13:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 14:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 2/7] tracing: instrument restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 3/7] Restartable sequences: ARM 32 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 4/7] Restartable sequences: wire up ARM 32 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 5/7] Restartable sequences: x86 32/64 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 6/7] Restartable sequences: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 7/7] Restartable sequences: self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <CO1PR15MB09822FC140F84DCEEF2004CDDD0B0@CO1PR15MB0982.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
2016-07-24 3:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-24 18:01 ` Dave Watson
2016-07-25 16:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 23:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 1:28 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 3:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 5:30 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 16:35 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 18:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-13 1:28 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-14 15:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-15 0:56 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-15 18:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 19:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 20:05 ` Dave Watson
2016-08-14 17:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-25 18:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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