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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] Restartable sequences system call
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1547727714.7430.1470850839903.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWrQWFg-r5+rhiSi3veoLiipxH+TJkTxKXkBpCahadV_g@mail.gmail.com>

----- On Aug 10, 2016, at 4:01 AM, Andy Lutomirski luto@amacapital.net wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> 
>> However, I'm thinking maybe we can use some tricks to avoid unnecessary
>> aborts-on-preemption.
>>
>> First of all, I notice we haven't make any constraint on what kind of
>> memory objects could be "protected" by rseq critical sections yet. And I
>> think this is something we should decide before adding this feature into
>> kernel.
>>
>> We can do some optimization if we have some constraints. For example, if
>> the memory objects inside the rseq critical sections could only be
>> modified by userspace programs, we therefore don't need to abort
>> immediately when userspace task -> kernel task context switch.
> 
> True, although trying to do a syscall in an rseq critical section
> seems like a bad idea in general.

The scenario above does not require the rseq critical section to perform
an explicit system call. It can happen from simple timer-driven preemption
of user-space.

<snip>

> 
> But do we need to protect MAP_SHARED objects?  If not, maybe we could
> only track context switches between different tasks sharing the same
> mm.

I have tracing use-cases involving MAP_SHARED objects for rseq: per-cpu
buffers.

Moreover, if you only track context switch between tasks with the same
mm, you run into issues if you have:

Process A
  Thread 1 (rseq)
  Thread 2 (rseq)

Process B
  Thread 1

Scheduling: A.1 -> B.1 -> A.2 -> B.1 -> A.1

There is no scheduling between threads of the same process here, but
the entire chain involves two threads of the same process accessing
the same per-cpu data concurrently.

Thanks,

Mathieu


> 
> --Andy

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-10 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-21 21:14 [RFC PATCH v7 0/7] Restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-25 23:02   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-26  3:02     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-03 12:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 16:37         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2016-08-04  5:01             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04  4:27           ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-04  5:03             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-09 16:13               ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-10  8:01                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 17:40                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2016-08-10 17:33                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11  4:54                   ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-10  8:13               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:29       ` Christoph Lameter
2016-08-10 16:47         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 16:59           ` Christoph Lameter
2016-07-27 15:03   ` Boqun Feng
2016-07-27 15:05     ` [RFC 1/4] rseq/param_test: Convert test_data_entry::count to intptr_t Boqun Feng
2016-07-27 15:05       ` [RFC 2/4] Restartable sequences: powerpc architecture support Boqun Feng
2016-07-28  3:13         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-27 15:05       ` [RFC 3/4] Restartable sequences: Wire up powerpc system call Boqun Feng
2016-07-28  3:13         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-27 15:05       ` [RFC 4/4] Restartable sequences: Add self-tests for PPC Boqun Feng
2016-07-28  2:59         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28  4:43           ` Boqun Feng
2016-07-28  7:37             ` [RFC v2] " Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 14:04               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 13:42             ` [RFC 4/4] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28  3:07       ` [RFC 1/4] rseq/param_test: Convert test_data_entry::count to intptr_t Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28  3:10     ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] Restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-03 13:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 14:53     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-03 15:45     ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-07 15:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-07 23:35         ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-09 13:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-09 20:06     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-09 21:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-09 22:41         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10  7:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 13:26             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 13:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 14:04                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10  8:10       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 19:04         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 19:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 20:06             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 20:09               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 21:01                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11  7:23                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10  8:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 13:57         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 14:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 14:44             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 13:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 2/7] tracing: instrument restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 3/7] Restartable sequences: ARM 32 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 4/7] Restartable sequences: wire up ARM 32 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 5/7] Restartable sequences: x86 32/64 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 6/7] Restartable sequences: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 7/7] Restartable sequences: self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <CO1PR15MB09822FC140F84DCEEF2004CDDD0B0@CO1PR15MB0982.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
2016-07-24  3:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-24 18:01       ` Dave Watson
2016-07-25 16:43         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 23:26         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12  1:28           ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12  3:10             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12  3:13               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12  5:30               ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 16:35                 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 18:11                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-13  1:28                     ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-14 15:02                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-15  0:56                         ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-15 18:06                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 19:36           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 20:05             ` Dave Watson
2016-08-14 17:09               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-25 18:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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