From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757755Ab0EZSyx (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 14:54:53 -0400 Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.162.213]:57846 "EHLO lennier.cc.vt.edu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756742Ab0EZSyv (ORCPT ); Wed, 26 May 2010 14:54:51 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: James Bottomley Cc: Thomas Gleixner , Peter Zijlstra , Pavel Machek , Pekka Enberg , Arve Hj?nnev?g , Florian Mickler , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Alan Stern , Dmitry Torokhov , Linux-pm mailing list , Kernel development list , Len Brown , Randy Dunlap , Andrew Morton , Andi Kleen , Cornelia Huck , Tejun Heo , Jesse Barnes , Nigel Cunningham , Ming Lei , Wu Fengguang , Maxim Levitsky , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Garrett , Greg KH , tytso@mit.edu Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Opportunistic suspend support. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 May 2010 13:23:00 CDT." <1274898180.4467.925.camel@mulgrave.site> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu References: <1274863342.5882.4850.camel@twins> <20100526112303.3fef15a4@schatten.dmk.lab> <1274866402.5882.5051.camel@twins> <1274868384.5882.5169.camel@twins> <1274869262.5882.5222.camel@twins> <1274890736.4467.574.camel@mulgrave.site> <1274891308.1674.1766.camel@laptop> <20100526165919.GB2089@elf.ucw.cz> <1274893309.1674.1773.camel@laptop> <1274894685.4467.758.camel@mulgrave.site> <1274898180.4467.925.camel@mulgrave.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1274899857_4200P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:50:57 -0400 Message-ID: <15650.1274899857@localhost> X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 128.173.14.107 localhost Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu 2 pass X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=neutral-1, source=Fixed, refid=n/a, actions=MAILHURDLE SPF TAG X-Junkmail-Info: (45) HELO_LOCALHOST X-Junkmail-Status: score=45/50, host=vivi.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A02020A.4BFD6D92.0197,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2009-09-22 00:05:22, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --==_Exmh_1274899857_4200P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:23:00 CDT, James Bottomley said: > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 19:51 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > Darn, _we_ have to deal with that forever as it sets a crappy user > > space ABI in stone. > > I really don't see how it is ... the ABI comes with a switch that allows > it to be disabled, so only platforms wishing to use it have to support > it. Even on those platforms that do support it, we can translate most > of it into pm QoS stuff and if one day someone solves the rogue app > problem, we can migrate over. And yet, the OSS drivers are *still* in-tree, even though similar arguments apply to an OSS->ALSA migration. And there's a bunch of other stuff in Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt in a similar situation. Remember - programming is like sex. One poorly planned release and you're stuck maintaining it for years. :) --==_Exmh_1274899857_4200P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQFL/W2RcC3lWbTT17ARAvoDAKC9rHsYHH8ofLPpJII9kWXkNeMXygCg7qSL pOtBEw3pezX5Nm/KYZDX3xk= =BHVJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1274899857_4200P--