From: Nikita Danilov <Nikita@Namesys.COM>
To: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
Cc: ptb@it.uc3m.es, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: recursive spinlocks. Shoot.
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:37:52 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <16072.49680.630299.103453@laputa.namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3EC8B1FC.9080106@aitel.hist.no>
Helge Hafting writes:
> Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>
> > Hey, that's not bad for a small change! 50% of potential programming
> > errors sent to the dustbin without ever being encountered.
>
> Then you replace errors with inefficiency - nobody discovers that
> you needlessly take a lock twice. They notice OOPSes though, the
> lock gurus can then debug it.
>
> Trading performance for simplicity is ok in some cases, but I have a strong
> felling this isn't one of them. Consider how people optimize locking
> by shaving off a single cycle when they can, and try to avoid
> locking as much as possible for that big smp scalability.
>
> This is something better done right - people should just take the
> trouble.
There, however, are cases when recursive locking is needed. Take, for
example, top-to-bottom insertion into balanced tree with per-node
locking. Once modifications are done at the "leaf" level, parents should
be locked and modified, but one cannot tell in advance whether different
leaves have the same or different parents. Simplest (and, sometimes, the
only) solution here is to lock parents of all children in turn, even if
this may lock the same parent node several times---recursively.
>
> Helge Hafting
>
Nikita.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-05-19 11:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-18 9:21 recursive spinlocks. Shoot Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 16:30 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 16:35 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 16:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-18 16:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 17:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 17:24 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 22:34 ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-19 13:37 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 13:45 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-19 13:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <mailman.1053352200.24653.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2003-05-19 23:54 ` Pete Zaitcev
2003-05-20 0:03 ` viro
2003-05-20 0:03 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2003-05-20 3:12 ` Robert White
2003-05-20 11:59 ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-20 12:23 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-20 21:05 ` Robert White
2003-05-20 21:42 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-20 23:06 ` Robert White
2003-05-21 14:01 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-05-21 21:56 ` Robert White
2003-05-22 0:13 ` viro
2003-05-22 0:32 ` Robert White
2003-05-22 0:46 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-05-21 5:48 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-22 1:00 ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-22 3:11 ` Robert White
2003-05-22 4:04 ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-22 4:42 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-22 5:09 ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-23 0:19 ` Robert White
2003-05-23 7:22 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-05-23 9:07 ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-23 12:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-24 2:39 ` Robert White
2003-05-28 16:50 ` Timothy Miller
2003-05-19 2:05 ` Kevin O'Connor
2003-05-19 6:19 ` Jan Hudec
2003-05-19 10:29 ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-19 11:37 ` Nikita Danilov [this message]
2003-05-22 1:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-19 14:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-18 18:13 ` Davide Libenzi
[not found] <20030518182010$0541@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-18 19:09 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 19:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-18 19:49 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 20:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 20:47 ` Jan Hudec
[not found] <20030518202013$5297@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-18 23:15 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-18 23:26 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 12:48 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 17:15 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-19 17:27 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 17:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-19 19:51 ` Peter T. Breuer
2003-05-19 20:22 ` Robert White
[not found] <20030520231013$3d77@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-05-21 14:16 ` Peter T. Breuer
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