From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PG_zero
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:03:56 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <161650000.1099332236@flay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <418671AA.6020307@yahoo.com.au>
>> And there was no
>> need of using two quicklists for cold and hot pages, less resources are
>> wasted by just using the lru ordering to diferentiate from hot/cold
>> allocations and hot/cold freeing.
>
> Not sure if this is wise. Reclaimed pages should definitely be cache
> cold. Other freeing is assumed cache hot and LRU ordered on the hot
> list which seems right... but I think you want the cold list for page
> reclaim, don't you?
You're completely correct about the hot vs cold, but I don't think that
precludes what Andrea is suggesting ... merge into one list and use the
hot/cold ends. Mmmm ... why did we do that? I think it was to stop cold
allocations from eating into hot pages - we'd prefer them to fall back
into the buddy instead.
>> Obvious improvements would be to implement a long_write_zero(ptr)
>> operation that doesn't pollute the cache. IIRC it exists on the alpha, I
>> assume it exists on x86/x86-64 too. But that's incremental on top of
>> this.
>>
>> It seems stable, I'm running it while writing this.
>>
>> I guess testing on a memory bound architecture would be more interesting
>> (more cpus will make it more memory bound somewhat).
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>
> I have the feeling that it might not be worthwhile doing zero on idle.
> You've got chance of blowing the cache on zeroing pages that won't be
> used for a while. If you do uncached writes then you've changed the
> problem to memory bandwidth (I guess doesn't matter much on UP).
Yeah, we got bugger-all benefit out of it. The only think it might do
is lower the latency on inital load-spikes, but basically you end up
paying the cache fetch cost twice. But ... numbers rule - if you can come
up with something that helps a real macro benchmark, I'll eat my non-existant
hat ;-)
M.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-01 18:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-30 14:10 PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-30 21:07 ` PG_zero Andrew Morton
2004-10-30 22:45 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-31 15:35 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-01 21:57 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-01 22:05 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-02 3:41 ` PG_zero William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-31 15:17 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-02 13:53 ` PG_zero Andy Whitcroft
2004-11-02 19:39 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-01 17:26 ` PG_zero Nick Piggin
2004-11-01 18:03 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2004-11-01 22:34 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-01 23:47 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-02 1:47 ` PG_zero Nick Piggin
2004-11-02 2:21 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-02 2:54 ` PG_zero Nick Piggin
2004-11-02 15:42 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-02 19:50 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-02 22:41 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-03 1:26 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-02 21:09 ` PG_zero Andrew Morton
2004-11-02 21:56 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-02 22:41 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-03 1:09 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-03 1:18 ` PG_zero Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-03 1:23 ` PG_zero Nick Piggin
2004-11-03 2:05 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-03 11:53 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-03 12:10 ` PG_zero Pavel Machek
2004-11-01 22:24 ` PG_zero Andrea Arcangeli
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