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From: Inaky Perez-Gonzalez <inaky@linux.intel.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Inaky Perez-Gonzalez <inaky@linux.intel.com>,
	Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>,
	dwalker@mvista.com, mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>
Subject: Re: FUSYN and RT
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:20:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16992.26700.512551.833614@sodium.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1113614062.4294.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>

>>>>> Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> writes:
>> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 16:37 -0700, Inaky Perez-Gonzalez wrote:

> I have to agree with Inaky too.  Fundamentally, PI is the same for
> the system regardless of if the locks are user or kernel. I still
> don't see the difference here.  But for other reasons, I feel that
> the user lock should be a different structure from the kernel
> lock. That's why I mentioned that it would be a good idea if Ingo
> modulized the PI portion.  So that part would be the same for
> both. If he doesn't have the time to do it, I'll do it :-) (Ingo,
> all you need to do is ask.)

Can you qualify "different" here? I don't mean that they need to be
interchangeable, but that they are esentially the same. Obviously the
user cannot acces the kernel locks, but kernel locks are *used* to
implement user space locks.

Back to my example before: in fusyn, a user space lock is a kernel
space lock with a wrapper, that provides all that is necessary for
doing the fast path and handling user-space specific issues.

>> As long as the concept of rwlock allows for it to have multiple
>> owners (read locks need to have them), the procedure is mostly the
>> same. However, this not being POSIX, nobody (yet) has asked for it.
>
> I don't think rwlocks work well with PI.  You can implement it, but
> it's like implementing multiple inheritance for Object Oriented
> languages...

I have to agree--that's why I don't go further than saying in theory
is possible. I would only touch it with a ten foot pole or if someone
offered a lot in exchange :]

-- 

Inaky


  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-16  1:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-12 20:35 FUSYN and RT Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2005-04-12 23:11 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-04-13  0:27   ` Daniel Walker
2005-04-13 15:46     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-13 17:33       ` Daniel Walker
2005-04-13 18:38         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-15 22:51       ` Bill Huey
2005-04-15 23:37         ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2005-04-16  1:14           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-16  1:20             ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez [this message]
2005-04-16  1:38               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-16  1:53                 ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2005-04-16  2:31                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-16  3:00                     ` Sven Dietrich
2005-04-16  3:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-16 13:05                       ` john cooper
2005-04-16 14:23                         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-16 14:51                           ` john cooper
2005-04-16  4:05                     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2005-04-18  5:30           ` Bill Huey
2005-04-18  7:37             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-04-18 11:33               ` Steven Rostedt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-12 23:36 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2005-04-12 23:09 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2005-04-12 22:26 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2005-04-12 22:33 ` Daniel Walker
2005-04-12 21:28 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2005-04-12 19:35 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2005-04-12 18:15 Daniel Walker
2005-04-12 20:29 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-04-12 22:15   ` Daniel Walker
2005-04-12 20:33 ` Joe Korty
2005-04-12 21:25   ` Daniel Walker

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