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From: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
To: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
Cc: "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@mindspring.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Trent Waddington <trent.waddington@gmail.com>,
	Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>,
	"Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	Erik Mouw <erik@harddisk-recovery.com>,
	Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@hotpop.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:11:21 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17818.51833.76006.266132@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: message from David Weinehall on Tuesday January 2

On Tuesday January 2, tao@acc.umu.se wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:22:21AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > 
> > > I can very easily believe it.  The US patent system and "justice"
> > > system in the US is completely and totally insane, and companies
> > > often feel they have to act accordingly.  Remember this is the
> > > country that has issued multi-million dollar awards to people who
> > > spill hot coffee in their lap ...
> > 
> > MASSIVELY OFF TOPIC:  can we please stop using this "hot coffee in
> > lap" story as an example of the idiocy of the justice system?  i'm
> > guessing there's more to this story than most folks are aware of, and
> > you're welcome to read the details here:
> > 
> >   http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
> > 
> > as you can see, there are two salient points that change the
> > complexion of this story thoroughly:
> > 
> > 1) mcdonald's was not merely serving their coffee "hot," but
> > *scalding* hot (180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that
> > will produce third-degree burns almost immediately, and
> 
> That's less than 90°C.  Water boils at 100°C.  How the hell do 
> people expect coffee to be made without boiling water?  Magic?

We have a coffee chain down here (.au) called "92degrees".  They claim this
is the optimal temperature for pumping the water through the ground
coffee beans to get ideal coffee.  So it doesn't need to be boiling.

Of course if people would just put milk in their coffee, we would have
this problem :-)

[We now return you to our regular program of filesystem corruption
and flame wars].

NeilBrown

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-02 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-15 21:20 Binary Drivers James Porter
2006-12-15 21:59 ` Alan
2006-12-15 22:00   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:31   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-12-15 22:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16  1:57   ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-16 18:03     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 16:33       ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 17:43         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-21 19:10           ` Tomas Carnecky
     [not found]             ` <f0e2c5070612211120wa6e3402p2ffb6e1d579a485a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-21 19:42               ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-21 22:36                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-21 20:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 20:18         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 22:02           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 20:50         ` David Schwartz
2006-12-21 20:58           ` David Lang
2006-12-21 21:20           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-21 22:12           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 23:20             ` Martin Mares
2006-12-22  0:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  9:47           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-23  1:04           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-16  3:56   ` jdow
2006-12-16  4:59     ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-16  8:12     ` Horses and donkeys [Re: Binary Drivers] Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 18:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 11:44   ` Binary Drivers Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-16  8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-16  9:07 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-17 12:17   ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-18 21:34   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Hannu Savolainen
2006-12-19  0:10     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 22:06     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-12-21  0:38       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-12-21 10:17         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-21 18:16       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 11:59         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-24  6:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-31 12:41           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-31 13:03             ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-31 17:09               ` Alan
2007-01-02  2:42                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  4:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  5:06                 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02  6:30                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02  9:40                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 11:26                     ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 12:06                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 19:23                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-03  8:59                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 12:50                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-02 13:22                         ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-01-02 15:15                           ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 15:18                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-02 16:33                               ` James Simmons
2007-01-02 17:13                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 20:20                               ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 19:30                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-01-02 20:01                               ` OT Coffee (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 20:17                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-02 23:01                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:55                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-04  0:50                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 21:11                             ` Neil Brown [this message]
2007-01-02 22:26                               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-02 19:04                           ` [OT] Hot coffee (was: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)) Steven Rostedt
2007-01-02 10:40                   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Alan
2006-12-18  9:51 ` Binary Drivers Bernd Petrovitsch
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2007-01-02 18:44                     ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Bodo Eggert
2007-01-02 20:14                       ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 20:14                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 23:52                         ` Brian Beattie
2007-01-03  0:43                           ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:43                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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