From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09596C65C1B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D242084D for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="jPh5gum0" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 74D242084D Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728363AbeJHA0F (ORCPT ); Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:26:05 -0400 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com ([213.167.242.64]:54508 "EHLO perceval.ideasonboard.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727383AbeJHA0F (ORCPT ); Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:26:05 -0400 Received: from avalon.localnet (dfj612ybrt5fhg77mgycy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi [IPv6:2001:14ba:21f5:5b00:2e86:4862:ef6a:2804]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8CA08995; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:18:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1538932686; bh=66fI5q/1P9etdVBd2mk0lukuql/tRQKIq8CLS4IHuuQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jPh5gum0IBzLICyachhuBH8DLHKynf3Q0qzDxfqVX+H0RZwvWnywCYReHQKGA4S4n rGg6APxBw21jWl9SrOl+HnRb5UsvByOXPgWUKUeBCimh6NTI2mySaKdEgyDsnnd34h e+YUG8UBOycFZVBvBiHCFZTXWvi36xejtLvJPhCE= From: Laurent Pinchart To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Cc: Josh Triplett , Geert Uytterhoeven , James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 20:18:26 +0300 Message-ID: <1814283.64diKEr4zR@avalon> Organization: Ideas on Board Oy In-Reply-To: <20181007113514.GA21217@localhost> References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181007113514.GA21217@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Josh, On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > > > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free > > experience for everyone", period. > > I would suggest reading the commit message that added this in the first > place. "Explicit guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects > and other areas of the kernel." See also various comparisons of codes of > conduct, which make the same point. The point of this list is precisely > to serve as one such explicit guideline; removing it would rather defeat > the purpose. > > In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any > more than it's the place for patches to the GPL. So what's an appropriate place to discuss the changes that we would like, *together*, to make to the current document and propose upstream ? As stated in another e-mail in a similar thread, I believe we need to come together and decide on what we want to do. We still have no official forum to do so, and repeatedly telling people that ksummit-discuss and LKML are not the right place won't make the concerns go away. Only by discussing problems will we come to solutions. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart