From: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
Cc: fenghua.yu@intel.com, shuah@kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
peternewman@google.com, babu.moger@amd.com,
"Maciej Wieczór-Retman" <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] selftests/resctrl: Do not compare performance counters and resctrl at low bandwidth
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 14:45:21 +0300 (EEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1903ac13-5c9c-ef8d-78e0-417ac34a971b@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9b2da518-89ce-4f9b-92f2-d317ed892886@intel.com>
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2024, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> On 9/4/24 4:43 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Aug 2024, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> > > On 8/30/24 4:42 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2024, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The MBA test incrementally throttles memory bandwidth, each time
> > > > > followed by a comparison between the memory bandwidth observed
> > > > > by the performance counters and resctrl respectively.
> > > > >
> > > > > While a comparison between performance counters and resctrl is
> > > > > generally appropriate, they do not have an identical view of
> > > > > memory bandwidth. For example RAS features or memory performance
> > > > > features that generate memory traffic may drive accesses that are
> > > > > counted differently by performance counters and MBM respectively,
> > > > > for instance generating "overhead" traffic which is not counted
> > > > > against any specific RMID. As a ratio, this different view of memory
> > > > > bandwidth becomes more apparent at low memory bandwidths.
> > > >
> > > > Interesting.
> > > >
> > > > I did some time back prototype with a change to MBM test such that
> > > > instead
> > > > of using once=false I changed fill_buf to be able to run N passes
> > > > through
> > > > the buffer which allowed me to know how many reads were performed by the
> > > > benchmark. This yielded numerical difference between all those 3 values
> > > > (# of reads, MBM, perf) which also varied from arch to another so it
> > > > didn't end up making an usable test.
> > > >
> > > > I guess I now have an explanation for at least a part of the
> > > > differences.
> > > >
> > > > > It is not practical to enable/disable the various features that
> > > > > may generate memory bandwidth to give performance counters and
> > > > > resctrl an identical view. Instead, do not compare performance
> > > > > counters and resctrl view of memory bandwidth when the memory
> > > > > bandwidth is low.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bandwidth throttling behaves differently across platforms
> > > > > so it is not appropriate to drop measurement data simply based
> > > > > on the throttling level. Instead, use a threshold of 750MiB
> > > > > that has been observed to support adequate comparison between
> > > > > performance counters and resctrl.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
> > > > > ---
> > > > > tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c | 7 +++++++
> > > > > tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/resctrl.h | 6 ++++++
> > > > > 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
> > > > > b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
> > > > > index cad473b81a64..204b9ac4b108 100644
> > > > > --- a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
> > > > > +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
> > > > > @@ -96,6 +96,13 @@ static bool show_mba_info(unsigned long *bw_imc,
> > > > > unsigned long *bw_resc)
> > > > > avg_bw_imc = sum_bw_imc / (NUM_OF_RUNS - 1);
> > > > > avg_bw_resc = sum_bw_resc / (NUM_OF_RUNS - 1);
> > > > > + if (avg_bw_imc < THROTTLE_THRESHOLD || avg_bw_resc <
> > > > > THROTTLE_THRESHOLD) {
> > > > > + ksft_print_msg("Bandwidth below threshold (%d
> > > > > MiB).
> > > > > Dropping results from MBA schemata %u.\n",
> > > > > + THROTTLE_THRESHOLD,
> > > > > + ALLOCATION_MAX -
> > > > > ALLOCATION_STEP *
> > > > > allocation);
> > > >
> > > > The second one too should be %d.
> > > >
> > >
> > > hmmm ... I intended to have it be consistent with the ksft_print_msg()
> > > that
> > > follows. Perhaps allocation can be made unsigned instead?
> >
> > If you go that way, then it would be good to make the related defines and
> > allocation in mba_setup() unsigned too, although the latter is a bit scary
>
> Sure, will look into that.
>
> > because it does allocation -= ALLOCATION_STEP which could underflow if the
> > defines are ever changed.
> >
>
> Is this not already covered in the following check:
> if (allocation < ALLOCATION_MIN || allocation > ALLOCATION_MAX)
> return END_OF_TESTS;
>
> We are talking about hardcoded constants though.
Borderline yes. It is "covered" by the allocation > ALLOCATION_MAX but
it's also very non-intuitive to let the value underflow and then check for
that with the > operator.
You're correct that they're constants so one would need to tweak the
source to end up into this condition in the first place.
Perhaps I'm being overly pendantic here but I in general don't like
leaving trappy and non-obvious logic like that lying around because one
day one of such will come back biting.
So, if a variable is unsigned and we ever do subtraction (or adding
negative numbers to it), I'd prefer additional check to prevent ever
underflowing it unexpectedly. Or leave them signed.
--
i.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-05 11:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-29 22:52 [PATCH 0/6] selftests/resctrl: Support diverse platforms with MBM and MBA tests Reinette Chatre
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 1/6] selftests/resctrl: Fix sparse warnings Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 10:29 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 2/6] selftests/resctrl: Ensure measurements skip initialization of default benchmark Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 10:56 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:00 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-04 11:57 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-04 21:15 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-05 12:10 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-05 18:08 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-06 10:00 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-07 0:05 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-09 12:52 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 3/6] selftests/resctrl: Simplify benchmark parameter passing Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 11:13 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:01 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 4/6] selftests/resctrl: Use cache size to determine "fill_buf" buffer size Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 11:25 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:00 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 5/6] selftests/resctrl: Do not compare performance counters and resctrl at low bandwidth Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 11:42 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:00 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-04 11:43 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-04 21:15 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-05 11:45 ` Ilpo Järvinen [this message]
2024-09-05 18:08 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-06 8:44 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-07 0:05 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-09 8:13 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 6/6] selftests/resctrl: Keep results from first test run Reinette Chatre
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