From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@caldera.de>, Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:41:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <19642.1007484062@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011204111115.A15160@thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011204111115.A15160@thyrsus.com> <1861.1007341572@kao2.melbourne.sgi.com> <20011204131136.B6051@caldera.de> <20011204072808.A11867@thyrsus.com> <20011204133932.A8805@caldera.de> <20011204074815.A12231@thyrsus.com> <20011204140050.A10691@caldera.de> <20011204081640.A12658@thyrsus.com> <20011204142958.A14069@caldera.de>
esr@thyrsus.com said:
> You can spend all week telling us how easy it would be to implement
> all the CML2 benefits that CML1 doesn't have, if you like -- but one
> of the rules of this game is that an ounce of working code beats a
> pound of handwaving.
FWIW I have no particular problem with CML2. I agree that CML1 is fairly
limited, and can see the advantages in ditching it for a new language.
I do have objections to some of the other ideas which have been floated for
changing the behaviour of the config rules, which aren't strictly related to
the change in language.
I just want to make sure that the introduction of CML2 doesn't sneak in
controversial changes to the config behaviour to make my Aunt Tilley happy,
when those changes should be given individual consideration, not presented
as a fait accomplis.
If I can't have one without the other, I'd rather not have either - CML1
may indeed suck, but it doesn't suck _that_ much.
But I figure we can trust you not to do that - can't we?
--
dwmw2
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-12-04 16:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-12-03 1:06 Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Keith Owens
2001-12-03 1:19 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-03 2:03 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 0:22 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 0:52 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 11:04 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 11:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:22 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 11:15 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 12:19 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 13:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 15:40 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:33 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:03 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:38 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 19:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:43 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 19:48 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:53 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:03 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:57 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-04 19:59 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:11 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 21:03 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 22:10 ` Trevor Smith
2001-12-04 22:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 20:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-12-05 3:14 ` John Cowan
2001-12-05 4:36 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-05 14:54 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 14:51 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:37 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-06 16:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 9:57 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 16:59 ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 17:25 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 10:03 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-07 0:06 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-06 20:24 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.4 " Rob Landley
2001-12-07 1:44 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 " Tom Rini
2001-12-06 18:30 ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 18:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-06 18:59 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:14 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-06 22:17 ` John Cowan
2001-12-07 14:44 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-07 15:56 ` John Alvord
2001-12-10 9:55 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07 18:12 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07 0:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-06 18:07 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-06 18:22 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:10 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 1:59 ` Cameron Simpson
2001-12-05 8:29 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 10:17 ` CML2 with python1 Jan Harkes
2001-12-12 7:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-14 12:50 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-04 17:15 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 17:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:47 ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 19:28 ` Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2001-12-04 17:20 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:27 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 18:13 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:27 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 19:19 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 19:24 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05 11:06 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 16:41 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2001-12-04 16:52 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:15 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-05 1:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-04 17:02 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:19 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:31 ` John Stoffel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-04 17:08 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:17 ` Jakob Kemi
2001-12-04 18:22 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 2:30 ` Greg Banks
2001-12-05 10:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:46 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 18:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:27 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-05 1:17 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07 5:22 ` Stevie O
2001-12-04 17:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 17:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:46 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 18:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:24 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 23:00 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 23:05 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 23:21 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 17:18 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2001-12-04 17:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-05 3:21 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-04 18:30 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:50 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:07 ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 21:23 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-05 1:26 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-05 16:14 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:37 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:38 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 18:50 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:50 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05 1:29 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 19:06 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
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