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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Joel Fernandes, Google" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavo@embeddedor.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	paulmck <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <arnaldo.melo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Revert SRCU from tracepoint infrastructure
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:33:04 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1966694237.616758.1581355984287.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200210120552.1a06a7aa@gandalf.local.home>

----- On Feb 10, 2020, at 12:05 PM, rostedt rostedt@goodmis.org wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:46:16 +0100
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
>> Furthermore, using srcu would be detrimental, because of how it has
>> smp_mb() in the read side primitives.
> 
> I didn't realize that there was a full memory barrier in the srcu read
> side. Seems to me that itself is rational for reverting it. And also a
> big NAK for any suggestion to have any of the function tracing to use
> it as well (which comes up here and there).

The rcu_irq_enter/exit_irqson() does atomic_add_return(), which is even worse
than a memory barrier.

Let me summarize my understanding of a few use-cases we have with tracepoints
and other instrumentation mechanisms and the guarantees they provide (or not):

* Tracepoints
  - Uses sched-rcu (typically)
  - Uses SRCU for _cpuidle callsites
  - Planned use of SRCU to allow syscall entry/exit instrumentation to
    take page faults. (currently all tracers paper over that issue by filling
    with zeroes rather than handle the fault)
  - Grace period waits for both sched-rcu and SRCU.

* kprobes/kretprobes
  - interrupts off around probe invocation

* Hardware performance counters
  - Probe invoked from NMI context 

- Software performance counters
  - preempt off around probe invocation

Moving _rcuidle instrumentation to SRCU aimed at removing a significant
overhead incurred by having all _rcuidle tracepoints perform the atomic_add_return
on the shared variable (which is frequent enough to impact performance).

There are a couple of approaches that perf could take in order to tackle this
without hurting performance for all other tracers:

- If perf wishes to keep using explicit rcu_read_lock/unlock in its probes:

Use is_rcu_watching() within the perf probe, and only invoke rcu_irq_enter/exit_irqson()
when needed.

As an alternative, perf could implement a "trampoline" which would only be used
when registering a perf probe to a _rcuidle tracepoint. That trampoline would
perform rcu_irq_entrer/exit_irqson() around the call to the real perf probe.

- If perf can remove the redundant RCU read-side lock/unlock and replace this
  by waiting for the relevant RCU/SRCU grace periods instead:

Basically, looking at all the instrumentation sources perf uses, all of them
already provide some kind of RCU guarantee, which makes the explicit rcu read-side
locks within the perf probes redundant. Removing the redundant rcu read-side lock/unlock
from the perf probes should bring a slight performance improvement as well.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-10 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-07 20:56 [RFC 0/3] Revert SRCU from tracepoint infrastructure Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-02-07 20:56 ` [RFC 1/3] Revert "tracepoint: Use __idx instead of idx in DO_TRACE macro to make it unique" Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-02-07 21:07   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-02-07 20:56 ` [RFC 2/3] Revert "tracing: Add back in rcu_irq_enter/exit_irqson() for rcuidle tracepoints" Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-02-07 20:56 ` [RFC 3/3] Revert "tracepoint: Make rcuidle tracepoint callers use SRCU" Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-02-07 21:24 ` [RFC 0/3] Revert SRCU from tracepoint infrastructure Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-07 21:43   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-02-08 16:39     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-02-08 16:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-02-10  9:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10 10:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10 13:36     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-10 13:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10 13:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-10 17:17       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-02-10 17:05     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-02-10 17:33       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2020-02-10 18:30         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-02-10 19:05           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-02-10 19:53           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-02-10 20:03             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-02-10 20:30               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-02-10 18:07       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-10 16:59   ` Joel Fernandes

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