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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org>
To: Jesse Pollard <pollard@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Installing kernel 2.4
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:52:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001108115247.A11377@vger.timpanogas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200011081343.HAA341140@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>
In-Reply-To: <200011081343.HAA341140@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>; from pollard@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 07:43:29AM -0600

On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 07:43:29AM -0600, Jesse Pollard wrote:
> ---------  Received message begins Here  ---------
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 03:25:56AM +0000, davej@suse.de wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If the compiler always aligned all functions and data on 16 byte
> > > > boundries (NetWare)  for all i386 code, it would run a lot faster.
> > > 
> > > Except on architectures where 16 byte alignment isn't optimal.
> > > 
> > > > Cache line alignment could be an option in the loader .... after all,
> > > > it's hte loader that locates data in memory.  If Linux were PE based,
> > > > relocation logic would be a snap with this model (like NT).
> > > 
> > > Are you suggesting multiple files of differing alignments packed into
> > > a single kernel image, and have the loader select the correct one at
> > > runtime ? I really hope I've misinterpreted your intention.
> > 
> > Or more practically, a smart loader than could select a kernel image
> > based on arch and auto-detect to load the correct image. I don't really
> > think it matters much what mechanism is used.   
> > 
> > What makes more sense is to pack multiple segments for different 
> > processor architecures into a single executable package, and have the 
> > loader pick the right one (the NT model).  It could be used for 
> > SMP and non-SMP images, though, as well as i386, i586, i686, etc.  
> 
> Sure.. and it will also be able to boot on Alpha/Sparc/PPC....:)
> 
> The best is to have the installer (person) to select the primary
> archecture from a CD. There will NOT be a single boot loader that will
> work for all systems. At best, there will have to be one per CPU family,
> but more likely, one per BIOS structure. This is the only thing that can
> determine the primary boot.
> 
> The primary boot can then determine which CPU type (starting with the
> smallest common CPU), and set flags for a kernel (minimal kernel) load.
> During the startup of THAT kernel then the selection of target RPM can
> be made that would install a kernel for the specific architetcure. After
> a (minimal?) system install, a reboot would be necessary.
> 
> It actually seems like it would be simpler to use the minimal kernel
> to rebuild the kernel for the local architecture. MUCH less work.
> This still requires a CPU family selection by the person doing the install.
> Nothing will get around that.


I am hesitant to jump in since hpa is working on something like this.  I 
think I would like to wait and see what he puts out.  If he would like
for me in my spare time to help him with it, I think I'd love to.

Jeff

> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jesse I Pollard, II
> Email: pollard@navo.hpc.mil
> 
> Any opinions expressed are solely my own.
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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-08 13:43 Installing kernel 2.4 Jesse Pollard
2000-11-08 18:52 ` Jeff V. Merkey [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-08 19:19 David Feuer
2000-11-08 13:49 Bruce_Holzrichter
2000-11-08 15:10 ` davej
2000-11-08 19:16 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  2:25 Marty Fouts
2000-11-08  3:43 ` davej
2000-11-08  2:19 Marty Fouts
2000-11-07 23:24 davej
2000-11-07 23:37 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 23:47   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 23:59     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  0:51     ` David Lang
2000-11-08  0:10       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  3:39         ` davej
2000-11-08  4:41           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  3:57             ` davej
2000-11-08 12:05             ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-08 15:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-08 16:51               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-08 17:36                 ` George Anzinger
2000-11-08 19:43                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-08 20:32                     ` George Anzinger
2000-11-08 22:01                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-09 13:25                       ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-09 18:24                         ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-08  3:30     ` davej
2000-11-08  0:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-08  0:06     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  3:25   ` davej
2000-11-08  4:36     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  3:50       ` davej
2000-11-07 22:49 Bruce_Holzrichter
2000-11-07 20:52 Anil kumar
2000-11-07 20:59 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 21:39 ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-07 22:28   ` Martin Josefsson
2000-11-07 22:32     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 22:51       ` kernel
2000-11-07 23:10         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 23:57           ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-08  0:01             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  0:10               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-08  0:12                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-12-10  8:22                   ` Mark W. McClelland
2000-11-09 13:40                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-08  2:18                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-08  7:35                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  0:54               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-08  3:31               ` Matthew Kirkwood
2000-11-08  0:11           ` David Lang
2000-11-07 23:39             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 23:51             ` Sven Koch
2000-11-07 23:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-08  0:18               ` David Relson
2000-11-08  0:23                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  0:50                   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-08  0:52                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  0:49           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-08  0:47             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-08  0:57               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-08  0:54                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-07 22:52       ` J . A . Magallon
2000-11-07 22:54       ` J Sloan

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