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From: Werner Almesberger <Werner.Almesberger@epfl.ch>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: ecki@lina.inka.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:00:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001110230056.C8753@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E13syeh-00018h-00@calista.inka.de> <200011070334.TAA01403@pizda.ninka.net>
In-Reply-To: <200011070334.TAA01403@pizda.ninka.net>; from davem@redhat.com on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 07:34:01PM -0800

David S. Miller wrote:
> Any workaround which ignores TCP resets is broken from the start and
> is not to be implemented.

Hmm, what actual consequences (besides being non-conformant to RFC793)
would you expect ? I can see mainly two of them:

 - non-ECN but otherwise healthy sites get an extra SYN packet for each
   RST they send to an ECN-capable host using this recovery scheme
   (strikes me as relatively harmless; note that any retry mechanism at
   a higher protocol layer would have the same characteristics)
 - if such a host receives a RST due to an ECN-unfriendly firewall, and
   this RST was duplicated in the network, the duplicated RST will
   probably reach the sender before the non-RST response reaches it, so
   the connection fails unnecessarily.

The second scenario suggests that perhaps TCP should pick a new ISN in
this case. But I'm not sure the scenario would happen all that often in
real life ...

I'm much more worried about the "fall back immediately after single
failure" problem.

- Werner

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-10 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-07  2:38 [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help Bernd Eckenfels
2000-11-07  3:34 ` David S. Miller
2000-11-10 22:00   ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-06  6:15 Barry K. Nathan
2000-11-06  7:03 ` David S. Miller
2000-11-06 12:16   ` Dominik Kubla
2000-11-06  7:34 ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  7:30   ` David S. Miller
2000-11-06  8:02     ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06 10:46   ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-06 11:02     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 11:11       ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-06 13:02         ` jamal
2000-11-06 13:31         ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-10 14:58           ` Pavel Machek
2000-11-06 13:08       ` Gregory Maxwell

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