From: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
To: Elmer Joandi <elmer@ylenurme.ee>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0"
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:49:13 +0100 (MET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200011262249.XAA10540@cave.bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10011261942420.11180-100000@yle-server.ylenurme.sise> from Elmer Joandi at "Nov 26, 2000 07:53:42 pm"
Elmer Joandi wrote:
>
> Nice to see again a two cutting-edge-killing opinions.
>
> Every time I really wonder, how such brilliant hackers can be that stupid
> that they can not have cake and eat it the same time, and have to scratch
> each-others eyes every time.
>
> Use macros.
>
> Kernel has become so big that it really needs universal debugging macros
> instead of comments. Comments are waste of brain&fingerpower, if the same
> can be explained by long variable names and debug macros.
>
> static Subsystem_module_LocalVariableForThisPurpose;
>
> int Subsytem_module_function_this_and_that(){
> DEBUG_ASSERT( Subsystem_module_LocalVariableForThisPurpose == 0 );
> DEBUG_ASSERT(MOST_OF_TIME,FS_AREA,MYFS_MODULE, somethingaboutIndodes->node != NULL )
> }
>
>
> Those macros would be acceptable if they are unified and taken to
> kernel configuration level, so it would be easy to switch them in/out
> not only as boolean option but systematically for different levels,
> subsystems and modules.
I leave "debugging" enabled in the drivers I submit. This allows me to
tell customers who are having "It won't detect my card" problems to
enable the debugging output. Most of the time this leads to a resolution
within minutes of me getting the debugging output log.
Sure it will slow the driver down a bit, because of all those bit-test
instructions in the driver. If it bothers you, you get to turn it
off. If you are capable of that, you are also capable enough to turn
it back on when neccesary.
The debug asserts that trigger during normal operation are what make
the Linux kernel stable. Problems get spotted at an early
stage. Problems get fixed. Microsoft disables all debugging before
shipping stuff. That means they don't get useful bugreports from the
field ("When I do this, the system sometimes locks...." compared to
"my system crashes with: 'panic: sk buff underrun at 0xc0123456'").
This was discussed and a decision was taken that we're on the good
track around 5 years ago. I guess that there is some new blood to be
convinced nowadays...
Roger.
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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-11-26 17:53 [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0" Elmer Joandi
2000-11-26 18:36 ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-26 19:11 ` Elmer Joandi
2000-11-26 22:49 ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2000-11-26 23:30 ` Universal debug macros Elmer Joandi
2000-11-27 0:45 ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-27 1:11 ` Elmer Joandi
2000-11-27 4:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 5:19 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-27 16:56 ` Chmouel Boudjnah
2000-11-27 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 17:56 ` Chmouel Boudjnah
2000-11-27 17:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 18:10 ` Chmouel Boudjnah
2000-11-27 18:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 18:39 ` Chmouel Boudjnah
2000-11-27 18:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 21:09 ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-27 8:35 ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-27 14:42 ` Elmer Joandi
2000-11-27 14:59 ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-27 15:58 ` Elmer Joandi
2000-11-28 1:34 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-27 16:37 ` Andrew E. Mileski
2000-11-27 17:01 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-27 17:19 ` Andrew E. Mileski
2000-11-27 18:01 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-27 19:55 ` Andrew E. Mileski
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-27 5:56 [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0" Adam J. Richter
2000-11-27 8:41 ` Werner Almesberger
2000-11-27 8:39 ` David S. Miller
2000-11-27 9:08 ` Werner Almesberger
2000-11-27 17:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-27 17:36 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-27 19:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-27 19:34 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-28 0:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 11:25 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-28 3:10 ` kumon
2000-11-28 3:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 3:35 ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-28 4:15 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-28 9:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2000-11-28 15:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 16:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2000-11-28 19:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 16:44 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-27 21:27 ` Marcus Sundberg
2000-11-27 18:11 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-27 18:01 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-26 15:15 Adam J. Richter
2000-11-25 20:19 Andries Brouwer
2000-11-25 21:07 ` Russell King
2000-11-25 21:29 ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-26 1:19 ` Russell King
2000-11-25 22:11 ` Herbert Xu
2000-11-25 22:46 ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-25 22:53 ` James A Sutherland
2000-11-25 23:55 ` Tim Waugh
2000-11-26 3:10 ` James A Sutherland
2000-11-26 10:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-26 14:52 ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-11-28 0:01 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-27 4:00 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-25 23:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-26 2:08 ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-26 9:22 ` Martin Mares
2000-11-25 23:33 ` Herbert Xu
2000-11-27 10:03 ` Helge Hafting
2000-11-27 20:33 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-27 22:57 ` Russell King
2000-11-29 1:46 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-29 3:21 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-29 7:25 ` Russell King
2000-11-25 22:27 ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-26 1:32 ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-26 2:11 ` Georg Nikodym
2000-11-26 4:25 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-26 5:01 ` John Alvord
2000-11-26 5:10 ` Andre Hedrick
2000-11-26 6:22 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-26 6:28 ` Andre Hedrick
2000-11-26 10:43 ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-26 10:52 ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-24 7:47 ` Pavel Machek
2000-11-26 14:32 ` bert hubert
2000-11-26 10:52 ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-26 14:13 ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-11-26 15:19 ` Georg Nikodym
2000-11-26 20:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 21:12 ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-26 6:21 ` Werner Almesberger
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