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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: dean gaudet <dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Petru Paler <ppetru@ppetru.net>,
	Jure Pecar <pegasus@telemach.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, thttpd@bomb.acme.com
Subject: Re: linux 2.2.19pre and thttpd (VM-global problem?)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:43:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001230184308.B9332@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20001229200657.B16261@athlon.random> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012291958250.7406-100000@twinlark.arctic.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012291958250.7406-100000@twinlark.arctic.org>; from dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 08:21:12PM -0800

On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 08:21:12PM -0800, dean gaudet wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 06:50:18PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > Your cgi will keep the other CPU occupied, or run two of them. thttpd has
> > > superb scaling properties compared to say apache.
> >
> > I think with 8 CPUs and 8 NICs (usual benchmark setup) you want more than 1 cpu
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > serving static data and it should be more efficient if it's threaded and
> > sleeping in accept() instead of running eight of them (starting from sharing
> > tlb entries and avoiding flushes probably without the need of CPU binding).
> 
> hey, nobody sane runs an 8 CPU box with 8 NICs for a production webserver.
> 8 single CPU boxes, or 4 dual boxes behind a load balancer.  now that's
> more common, more scalable, more robust.  :)

and it also provides high avaibility that is mandatory in a setup that
needs high performance anyways.

> oh yeah they all run perl, java, or php too :)  i've seen sites with more

and zope+python as well indeed.

> than 100 dynamic front-ends and a pair of 350Mhz x86 boxes in the corner
> handling all the static needs (running apache even!).  a pair only 'cause
> of redundancy reasons, not because of load reasons.

Exactly. I totally agree with you (everybody who talked with me about those
issues or attended my last two talks can confirm I agree ;).

But you're talking about real world. I was only talking about benchmarks.
Don't complain me if usual benchmark setup is done with one server N-way SMP +
N-Gbit-NICs (infact I can't run any usual webserving benchmark at home).

Andrea
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-12-30 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-29  1:32 linux 2.2.19pre and thttpd (VM-global problem?) Jure Pecar
2000-12-29  2:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-29  2:47   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-29  7:38     ` Petru Paler
2000-12-29 15:53       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-29 18:04         ` Petru Paler
2000-12-29 18:13           ` Jakob Østergaard
2000-12-29 18:21             ` Petru Paler
2000-12-29 18:56               ` Alan Cox
2000-12-29 19:11                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-29 18:50         ` Alan Cox
2000-12-29 19:06           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-12-29 19:14             ` Andi Kleen
2000-12-29 22:40             ` Jakob Østergaard
2000-12-30  4:21             ` dean gaudet
2000-12-30 17:43               ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2000-12-29  8:40   ` Jure Pecar
2000-12-29 11:37     ` Alan Cox
2000-12-29 15:36     ` Andrea Arcangeli
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-12-29 16:38 Daniel R. Kegel
2000-12-29 21:23 ` Aaron Sethman
2000-12-29 19:29 Matt Liotta
2000-12-29 19:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-01  1:04 Jure Pecar
2001-01-01 21:56 Jure Pecar

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