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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@ns.caldera.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@ns.caldera.de>,
	migo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:42:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010110084235.A365@caldera.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010109221254.A10085@caldera.de> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091318181.2331-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091318181.2331-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 01:26:44PM -0800

On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 01:26:44PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > 
> > > Look at sendfile(). You do NOT have a "bunch" of pages.
> > > 
> > > Sendfile() is very much a page-at-a-time thing, and expects the actual IO
> > > layers to do it's own scatter-gather. 
> > > 
> > > So sendfile() doesn't want any array at all: it only wants a single
> > > page-offset-length tuple interface.
> > 
> > The current implementations does.
> > But others are possible.  I could post one in a few days to show that it is
> > possible.
> 
> Why do you bother arguing, when I've shown you that even if sendfile()
> _did_ do multiple pages, it STILL wouldn't make kibuf's the right
> interface. You just snipped out that part of my email, which states that
> the networking layer would still need to do better scatter-gather than
> kiobuf's can give it for multiple send-file invocations.

Simple.  Because I stated before that I DON'T even want the networking
to use kiobufs in lower layers.  My whole argument is to pass a kiovec
into the fileop instead of a page, because it makes sense for other
drivers to use multiple pages, and doesn't hurt networking besides
the cost of one kiobuf (116k) and the processor cycles for creating
and destroying it once per sys_sendfile.

	Christoph

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-10  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-08  1:24 [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1 David S. Miller
2001-01-08 10:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-08 10:34   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-08 18:05     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 21:07       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 10:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 10:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-09 10:31           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 11:28             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-09 11:42               ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 12:04               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 14:25                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 14:33                   ` Alan Cox
2001-01-09 15:00                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 15:27                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 16:16                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 16:37                         ` Alan Cox
2001-01-09 16:48                           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 17:29                             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-09 17:38                               ` Jens Axboe
2001-01-09 18:38                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 19:54                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-09 20:10                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-10  0:00                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-09 20:12                                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-01-09 23:20                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-09 23:34                                         ` Jens Axboe
2001-01-09 23:52                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-17  5:16                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-09 17:56                             ` Chris Evans
2001-01-09 18:41                               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 22:58                                 ` [patch]: ac4 blk (was Re: [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1) Jens Axboe
2001-01-09 19:20                           ` [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1 J Sloan
2001-01-09 18:10                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 15:38                     ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2001-01-09 16:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 17:30                         ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2001-01-09 18:12                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 18:35                           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 17:53                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-09 21:13                   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 19:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 20:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 20:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 20:36                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-09 20:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 21:12                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-09 21:26                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10  7:42                             ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2001-01-10  8:05                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10  8:33                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-10  8:37                                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-10 23:32                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-19 15:55                                     ` Andrew Scott
2001-01-17 14:05                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-18  0:53                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-18  1:13                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 17:50                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-18 18:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 21:12                                     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-19  1:52                                       ` 2.4.1-pre8 video/ohci1394 compile problem ebi4
2001-01-19  6:55                                       ` [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1 Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 23:06                         ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2001-01-09 23:54                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10  7:51                             ` Gerd Knorr
2001-01-12  1:42                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 11:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 18:27             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-01-09 19:19               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 14:18         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 14:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 14:51             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-09 15:17             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 15:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 21:18               ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 22:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10 15:21                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-09 15:25             ` Stephen Frost
2001-01-09 15:40               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 15:48                 ` Stephen Frost
2001-01-10  1:14                 ` Dave Zarzycki
2001-01-10  1:14                   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10  2:18                     ` Dave Zarzycki
2001-01-10  1:19                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-10  2:56         ` storage over IP (was Re: [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1) dean gaudet
2001-01-10  2:58           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10  3:18             ` dean gaudet
2001-01-10  3:09               ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10  3:05           ` storage over IP (was Re: [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, Alan Cox
2001-01-08 21:56 ` [PLEASE-TESTME] Zerocopy networking patch, 2.4.0-1 Jes Sorensen
2001-01-08 21:48   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-08 22:32     ` Jes Sorensen
2001-01-08 22:36       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 12:12         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-08 22:43       ` Stephen Frost
2001-01-08 22:37         ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 13:52 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-09 13:42   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 15:27     ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-09 21:19       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10  9:21         ` Trond Myklebust
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-09 13:08 Stephen Landamore
2001-01-09 13:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 13:47   ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-09 19:15     ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-09 19:14   ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-09 22:03     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-09 22:58       ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-09 22:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-09 23:11           ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-10  3:24           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-09 17:46 Manfred Spraul
2001-01-10  8:41 Manfred Spraul
2001-01-10  8:31 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10 11:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-10 12:03   ` Manfred Spraul
2001-01-10 12:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-10 16:18       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-13 15:43 ` yodaiken

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