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From: "J . A . Magallon" <jamagallon@able.es>
To: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
Cc: "'linux-scsi @ vger . kernel . org'" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'linux-kernel @ vger . kernel . org'"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:32:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010117003205.A711@werewolf.able.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1355693A51C0D211B55A00105ACCFE64E95191@ATL_MS1> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101161154580.17397-100000@sol.compendium-tech.com> <20010116153757.A1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010116153757.A1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>; from meissner@spectacle-pond.org on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 21:37:57 +0100


On 2001.01.16 Michael Meissner wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:01:12PM -0800, Dr. Kelsey Hudson wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Venkatesh Ramamurthy wrote:
..
> > besides, how many 'end-users' do you know of that will have multiple scsi
> > adapters in one system? how many end-users -period- will have even a
> > *single* scsi adapter in their systems? do we need to bloat the kernel
> > with automatic things like this? no... i think it is handled fine the way
> > it is. if the user wants to add more than one scsi adapter into his
> > system, let him read some documentation on how to do so. (is this even a
> > documented feature? if not, i think it should be added to the docs...)
> 
> I'm an end-user, and I have 3 scsi-adapters of two different brands in my
> system.  Many of the people using Linux in high end things like servers,
> etc. will have multiple scsi controlers.  People are using Linux in lots of
> things from small embedded devices to large systems, and Linux needs to
> address
> needs in every area.
> 

If that is your idea of the average user... You're a system administrator, 
you can have tons of scsi cards in your system if you want.

You want to make things SOOO easy for a 'dummy' user, and that user will never 
use them. The average user you are targetting says: 'daddy, buy me a PC to
run Quake and do my school jobs' or 'please, dear vendor, I want a PC to
do my housekeeping'. I have seen so many cases (A buys PC, A tries to run
brand new racing game that does not work, A goes shop and says: don't know
what's wrong with this PC, look at it and call me when MyCarRacingGame 
works...).

Average users you are targetting with that automagical
card detection even do not know there are SCSI and IDE disks. They just
want a 30Gb ide disk to install linux and play. If they involve with SCSI
and ID numbers and multiple cards and so on they can read some docs and
rebuild a kernel.


-- 
J.A. Magallon                                                      $> cd pub
mailto:jamagallon@able.es                                          $> more beer

Linux werewolf 2.4.0-ac9 #2 SMP Sun Jan 14 01:46:07 CET 2001 i686

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-16 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-16 16:43 Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order? Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:01 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 20:37   ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 21:01     ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-16 21:23       ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 23:32     ` J . A . Magallon [this message]
2001-01-17  0:05       ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17  0:42       ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-17  2:14         ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-17 17:22           ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-17 18:41         ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-17  9:45       ` Ishikawa
2001-01-17 15:45         ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-16 23:51     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17 19:22   ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:32     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-17 20:46       ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 21:26     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-18 16:55 David Balazic
2001-01-18 19:49 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 16:36 Andries.Brouwer
2001-01-18 11:01 David Balazic
2001-01-18 11:35 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 13:01   ` Xavier Bestel
2001-01-18 14:03     ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-17 11:04 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:56 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:48 David Balazic
2001-01-17 23:23 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 10:14   ` David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:21 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:28 ` Boszormenyi Zoltan
2001-01-16 22:54 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:14 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:30 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 21:18   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 15:33   ` Mike Porter
2001-01-17 16:16     ` James Bottomley
2001-01-17 17:07       ` Craig Ruff
2001-01-18 12:50       ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 17:59         ` idalton
2001-01-18 18:14           ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 20:53           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-18 22:55             ` David Weinehall
2001-01-16 17:39 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:58 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 21:11   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17  9:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-17  9:55       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-01-17 10:19         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 10:02       ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-19  1:17         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-17 10:12       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 23:19         ` Russell King
2001-01-17 19:50 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:43   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18  0:14     ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18  0:39       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18  0:59         ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18  9:41         ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-16 17:30 Bryan Henderson
2001-01-16 17:04 David Balazic
     [not found] <Venkateshr@ami.com>
2001-01-16 16:56 ` Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 19:52   ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:51 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:09 ` Honza Pazdziora
2001-01-16 16:46 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:04 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 17:24   ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 18:22   ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 19:18     ` Matthew D. Pitts
2001-01-16 19:54     ` Christopher Friesen
2001-01-16 21:04     ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 22:51 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-16 16:31 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:53 ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 19:48 ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:19 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:23 ` Florent Cueto
2001-01-16 16:31 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-16 15:49 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:06 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 16:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Matthias Andree
2001-01-16 16:45 ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-16 17:38 ` Malahal Rao Naineni

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