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From: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
To: Jay Ts <jay@toltec.metran.cx>
Cc: Andrew Morton <andrewm@uow.edu.au>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lad <linux-audio-dev@ginette.musique.umontreal.ca>,
	xpert@xfree86.org,
	"mcrichto@mpp.ecs.umass.edu" <mcrichto@mpp.ecs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] low-latency scheduling patch for 2.4.0
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:10:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010120171045.B15918@hq.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A5D994A.1568A4D5@uow.edu.au> <200101130245.TAA02910@toltec.metran.cx>
In-Reply-To: <200101130245.TAA02910@toltec.metran.cx>; from Jay Ts on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:45:43PM -0700

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:45:43PM -0700, Jay Ts wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > 
> > Jay Ts wrote:
> > > 
> > > Now about the only thing left is to get it included
> > > in the standard kernel.  Do you think Linus Torvalds is more likely
> > > to accept these patches than Ingo's?  I sure hope this one works out.
> > 
> > We (or "he") need to decide up-front that Linux is to become
> > a low latency kernel. Then we need to decide the best way of
> > doing that.
> > 
> > Making the kernel internally preemptive is probably the best way of
> > doing this.  But it's a *big* task
> 
> Ouch.  Yes, I agree that the ideal path is for Linus and the other
> kernel developers and ... well, just about everyone ... is to create
> a long-range strategy and 'roadmap' that includes support for low-latency.
> 
> And making the kernel preemptive might be the best way to do that
> (and I'm saying "might"...).

Keep in mind that Ken Thompson & Dennis Ritchie did not decide on a 
non-preemptive strategy for UNIX because they were unaware of such 
methods or because they were stupid. And when Rob Pike redesigned a new
"unix" Plan9  note there is no-preemptive kernel, and the core Linux
designers have rejected preemptive kernels too. Now it is certainly possible
that things have change and/or all these folks are just plain wrong. But
I wouldn't bet too much on it.

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-21  0:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-07  2:53 low-latency scheduling patch for 2.4.0 Andrew Morton
2001-01-11  3:12 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Jay Ts
2001-01-11  3:22   ` Cort Dougan
2001-01-11 12:38     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-11 11:30   ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-11  5:19     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-11 13:57       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-11 20:55       ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-11 21:31         ` David S. Miller
2001-01-15  5:27           ` george anzinger
2001-01-12 13:30         ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-12 15:11           ` Tim Wright
2001-01-12 22:30             ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-13  1:01             ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-15 19:46               ` Tim Wright
2001-01-12 22:46           ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-12 23:08           ` george anzinger
2001-01-21  0:05           ` yodaiken
2001-01-22  0:54             ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-22  1:49               ` Paul Barton-Davis
2001-01-22  2:21                 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-22  3:31                   ` J Sloan
2001-01-28 13:14                   ` yodaiken
2001-01-28 14:07                     ` Bill Huey
2001-01-28 14:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-29  5:02                       ` yodaiken
2001-01-28 14:19                     ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-28 16:17                       ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-29 15:44                         ` yodaiken
2001-01-29 17:23                           ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-29 17:38                             ` yodaiken
2001-01-29 18:03                               ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 15:08                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-30 15:44                             ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 16:29                               ` Paul Davis
2001-01-30 16:35                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-31  7:55                               ` george anzinger
2001-01-30 16:19                             ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-01 12:40                               ` Pavel Machek
2001-02-01 22:33                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-02  4:17                                   ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 20:51                             ` yodaiken
2001-01-30 21:00                               ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-29 22:08                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-29 22:31                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-01-29 23:46                           ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-30 15:08                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-12 13:21       ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-13  2:45     ` Jay Ts
2001-01-21  0:10       ` yodaiken [this message]
2001-01-26  9:14         ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-13 18:11     ` video drivers hog pci bus ? [was:[linux-audio-dev] low-latency scheduling patch for 2.4.0] Jörn Nettingsmeier
2001-01-14 11:35 ` low-latency scheduling patch for 2.4.0 Andrew Morton
2001-01-14 14:38   ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-15 10:59     ` Andrew Morton

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