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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, torvalds@transmeta.com, raj@cup.hp.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Is sendfile all that sexy? (fwd)]]
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:05:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010120220521.C5274@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010120203023.A5274@athlon.random> <200101201939.WAA05326@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
In-Reply-To: <200101201939.WAA05326@ms2.inr.ac.ru>; from kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru on Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 10:39:36PM +0300

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 10:39:36PM +0300, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru wrote:
> Much saner behaviour wrt latency (and perfect clarity) overweights

IMHO latency can be fixed in a much better way using ioctl(SIOCPUSH) after the
last write() plus we could also add a MSG_NOMORE to set in the last send().
MSG_NOMORE would be not anonymous-capable but it would have zero syscall cost
compared to SIOCPUSH.

This would also address when the stack still delays something by mistake, and
yes it must still delay something sometime (even if not in my example)
otherwise setsockopt(TCP_NODELAY) is a noop. Whatever heuristic you use it
can't get right all the cases because it misses information that it can't
recover by guessing the right thing to do.  Legacy userspace will run still
fine, optimized software will take advantage of the new capability of the
stack.

In short instead of decreasing merging capabilities of the stack IMHO it's
better to give the information from userspace to the stack to let it know when
it must stop to do merging. This way the stack will always do the right thing.

Andrea
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-20 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2001-01-17 19:27 ` [Fwd: [Fwd: Is sendfile all that sexy? (fwd)]] Linus Torvalds
2001-01-17 20:03   ` Rick Jones
2001-01-17 20:38     ` dean gaudet
2001-01-17 20:57       ` Rick Jones
2001-01-18 13:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 14:57           ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-18 18:24           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-19  2:46         ` dean gaudet
2001-01-19  3:03           ` dean gaudet
2001-01-19 19:07           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-19 20:03             ` kuznet
2001-01-19 21:20               ` Rick Jones
2001-01-20 18:03                 ` kuznet
2001-01-22 18:44                   ` Rick Jones
2001-01-20 14:56           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-01-23  7:20             ` dean gaudet
2001-01-20 23:09           ` Lincoln Dale
2001-01-20 23:27             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-21  0:02               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-18 12:56       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-25 17:58         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-17 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-17 22:17       ` Rick Jones
2001-01-17 22:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-17 22:44           ` Jonathan Walther
2001-01-18 13:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 16:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 17:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 17:49               ` Zach Brown
2001-01-19  3:16                 ` dean gaudet
2001-01-19  3:56                   ` David Ford
2001-01-18 18:29               ` Rick Jones
2001-01-18 18:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 19:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-18 19:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 19:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 20:11                     ` kuznet
2001-01-18 20:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 21:14                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-18 20:24                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-18 20:37                     ` kuznet
2001-01-18 21:04                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-19  0:27                         ` Olivier Galibert
2001-01-19  0:59                           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-19 17:52                         ` kuznet
2001-01-19 20:54                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-18 20:44                     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 21:54                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-18 21:57                         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 22:16                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-18 22:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-19 15:25                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-19 18:18                                 ` kuznet
2001-01-19 21:13                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-20 17:28                                     ` kuznet
2001-01-20 18:14                                       ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-01-20 18:23                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-20 19:05                                         ` kuznet
2001-01-20 19:30                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-20 19:39                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-20 20:22                                               ` kuznet
2001-01-20 21:20                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-20 20:56                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-21 18:37                                                 ` kuznet
2001-01-20 19:39                                             ` kuznet
2001-01-20 21:05                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2001-01-20 21:31                                               ` Guus Sliepen
2001-01-18 22:20                             ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 19:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 19:59                 ` kuznet
2001-01-18 20:44                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-19  3:25                 ` dean gaudet
2001-01-19  3:35                   ` dean gaudet
2001-01-18  9:34         ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-18 18:20           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-18 19:45             ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-18 20:30             ` kuznet
2001-01-18 20:50               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 22:49               ` Rick Jones
2001-01-18 13:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-18 16:51           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 17:04             ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-17 21:51 Dan Kegel
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2001-01-24  0:19 Cacophonix

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