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From: Val Henson <vhenson@esscom.com>
To: David Lang <dlang@diginsite.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: Is sendfile all that sexy?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:37:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010122123707.B17540@esscom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010122111344.A17540@esscom.com> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101221026210.29530-100000@dlang.diginsite.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101221026210.29530-100000@dlang.diginsite.com>; from dlang@diginsite.com on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:27:58AM -0800

On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:27:58AM -0800, David Lang wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Val Henson wrote:
> 
> > There is a use for an optimized socket->socket transfer - proxying
> > high speed TCP connections.  It would be exciting if the zerocopy
> > networking framework led to a decent socket->socket transfer.
> 
> if you are proxying connextions you should really be looking at what data
> you pass through your proxy.
> 
> now replay proxying with routing and I would agree with you (but I'll bet
> this is handled in the kernel IP stack anyway)

Well, there is a (real-world) case where your TCP proxy doesn't want
to look at the data and you can't use IP forwarding.  If you have TCP
connections between networks that have very different MTU's, using IP
forwarding will result in tiny packets on the large MTU networks.

So who cares?  Some machines, notably Crays and NEC's, have a severely
rate-limited network stack and can only transmit up to about 3500
packets per second.  That's 40 Mbps on a 1500 byte MTU network, but
greater than line speed on HIPPI (65280 MTU, 800 Mbps).

So, for a rate-limited network stack on a HIPPI network, the best way
to talk to a machine on a gigabit ethernet network is through a TCP
proxy which just doesn't care about the data going through it.  Hence
my interest in socket->socket sendfile().

I'll admit this is an odd corner case which isn't important enough to
justify socket->socket sendfile() on its own.  But this odd corner
case did make enough money to pay my salary for years to come. :)

-VAL
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-22 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-17 15:02 Is sendfile all that sexy? Ben Mansell
2000-01-01  2:10 ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-17 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18  2:34   ` Olivier Galibert
2001-01-21 21:22     ` LA Walsh
2001-01-18  8:23   ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-18 10:01     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 11:04       ` Russell Leighton
2001-01-18 16:36         ` Larry McVoy
2001-01-19  1:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 16:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 18:46         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-01-18 18:58         ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-18 19:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-19  0:18             ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-19  1:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-19  6:57                 ` Alan Cox
2001-01-19 10:13                 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-19 10:55                   ` Andre Hedrick
2001-01-19 20:18                   ` kuznet
2001-01-19 21:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-20 18:53                       ` kuznet
2001-01-20 19:26                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-20 21:20                           ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-21  0:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-21  2:03                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-21 18:00                               ` kuznet
2001-01-21 23:21                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-20 15:36             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-01-20 21:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-20 21:10                 ` Mo McKinlay
2001-01-20 22:24                 ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-21  0:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-21  1:29                     ` David Schwartz
2001-01-21  2:42                     ` Roman Zippel
2001-01-21  9:52                     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-21 10:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-22  9:52                       ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-22 13:00                         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-23  9:01                           ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-23  9:37                             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-18 19:51           ` Rick Jones
2001-01-18 12:17     ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-22 18:13   ` Val Henson
2001-01-22 18:27     ` David Lang
2001-01-22 19:37       ` Val Henson [this message]
2001-01-22 20:01         ` David Lang
2001-01-22 22:04           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-01-22 18:54     ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-24 15:12 Sasi Peter
2001-01-24 15:29 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-25  1:11 ` Alan Cox
2001-01-25  9:06   ` James Sutherland
2001-01-25 10:42     ` bert hubert
2001-01-25 12:14       ` James Sutherland
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101190911130.10218-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-01-19 17:23 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-16 13:50 Andries.Brouwer
2001-01-17  6:56 ` Ton Hospel
2001-01-17  7:31   ` Steve VanDevender
2001-01-17  8:09     ` Ton Hospel
2001-01-14 18:29 jamal
2001-01-14 18:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-14 19:02   ` jamal
2001-01-14 19:09     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-14 19:18       ` jamal
2001-01-14 20:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-14 20:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-14 21:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-14 21:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-14 21:54     ` Gerhard Mack
2001-01-14 22:40       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-14 22:45         ` J Sloan
2001-01-15 20:15           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-15  3:43         ` Michael Peddemors
2001-01-15 13:02       ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-15 13:45         ` Tristan Greaves
2001-01-15  1:14   ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-15 15:24   ` Jonathan Thackray
2001-01-15 15:36     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-15 20:17       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-15 16:05     ` dean gaudet
2001-01-15 18:34       ` Jonathan Thackray
2001-01-15 18:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-15 18:58         ` dean gaudet
2001-01-15 19:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-15 20:33       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-15 21:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-16 10:40         ` Felix von Leitner
2001-01-16 11:56           ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-16 12:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-16 12:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-01-16 12:47             ` Felix von Leitner
2001-01-16 13:48               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-16 14:20                 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-01-16 15:05                   ` David L. Parsley
2001-01-16 15:05                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2001-01-16 15:46                       ` David L. Parsley
2001-01-18 14:00                         ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-01-17 19:27                     ` dean gaudet
2001-01-24  0:58   ` Sasi Peter
2001-01-24  8:44     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-25 10:20     ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-25 10:58       ` Sasi Peter
2001-01-26  6:10         ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-26 11:46           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:12             ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-15 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-16 13:47   ` jamal
2001-01-16 14:41     ` Pavel Machek

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