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From: alex@foogod.com
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: "Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hotmail can't deal with ECN
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:52:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010125115214.D9992@draco.foogod.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14960.29127.172573.22453@pizda.ninka.net> <200101251905.f0PJ5ZG216578@saturn.cs.uml.edu> <14960.31423.938042.486045@pizda.ninka.net>
In-Reply-To: <14960.31423.938042.486045@pizda.ninka.net>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:13:03AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
> 
> Albert D. Cahalan writes:
>  > How about some way to test before you do this?
>  > Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
> 
> "test"?  I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
> removing *@*hotmail.com from the lists by the end of that day.
> 
> That is the whole point of this experiment.

I think the point of a test address is that this could conceivably 
affect more providers than just Hotmail, and it would be useful for people to 
be able to check to make sure their own provider isn't also ECN brain damaged 
so they can yell at them and maybe get the problem fixed  before it happens
instead of just suddenly not getting list mail one day..

Regarding Hotmail.. has anybody actually tried informing them that Cisco has a 
stable patch available?  It's possible they're just misinformed about its 
status.  I do think they should at least be given credit for:

1) Actually responding to inquiries about the issue.
2) Understanding what the issue is.
3) Apparently already being aware that a problem exists, if perhaps mistaken 
   about solutions available.

I have to say that in my experience, this is a helluva lot more on the ball 
than what you'd get from most places, and indicates to me that there may be 
hope yet for getting this fixed.

-alex
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-25 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-25 18:29 hotmail can't deal with ECN Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25 18:34 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-25 19:05   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-25 19:13     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-25 19:29       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25 19:30       ` mirabilos
2001-01-25 19:52       ` alex [this message]
2001-01-25 20:13         ` mirabilos
2001-01-26  8:56           ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-25 23:19         ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2001-01-26  0:37           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  0:50             ` CaT
2001-01-26  0:59               ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-01-26  1:03                 ` CaT
2001-01-31 16:13                   ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26  1:04               ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:08                 ` CaT
2001-01-26 10:04                 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26  9:14               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-26 13:09                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-26  2:55       ` Steven N. Hirsch
2001-01-26  6:51         ` Michael B. Trausch
2001-01-26 23:44           ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-29 13:54           ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-30  7:21             ` Michael B. Trausch
2001-01-30  7:35               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-30  7:44                 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-30  8:51                 ` Michael B. Trausch
2001-01-30  9:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-30  9:54                     ` Michael B. Trausch
2001-01-26  9:15         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-26 12:51           ` Steven N. Hirsch
2001-01-26 13:10           ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-26  9:12   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-26 11:37     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-27  0:13       ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26  9:29   ` Helge Hafting
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-02  9:17 Sam James

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