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From: Johannes Erdfelt <johannes@erdfelt.com>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:24:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010125212419.G20628@sventech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101250041440.1498-100000@srv2.ecropolis.com> <94qcvm$9qp$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <14960.54069.369317.517425@pizda.ninka.net> <3A70D524.11362EFB@transmeta.com> <14960.54852.630103.360704@pizda.ninka.net> <3A70D7B2.F8C5F67C@transmeta.com> <14960.56461.296642.488513@pizda.ninka.net>
In-Reply-To: <14960.56461.296642.488513@pizda.ninka.net>; from David S. Miller on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:10:21PM -0800

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001, David S. Miller <davem@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> H. Peter Anvin writes:
>  > > RFC793, where is lists the unused flag bits as "reserved".
>  > > That is pretty clear to me.  It just has to say that
>  > > they are reserved, and that is what it does.
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > Is the definition of "reserved" defined anywhere?  In a lot of specs,
>  > "reserved" means MBZ.
>  > 
>  > Note, that I'm not arguing with you.  I'm trying to pick this apart.
> 
> It says "reserved for future use, must be zero".
> 
> I think the descrepency (and thus what the firewalls are doing) comes
> from the ambiguous "must be zero".  I cannot fathom the RFC authors
> meaning this to be anything other than "must be set to zero by current
> implementations" or else what is the purpose of the "reserved for
> future use part" right?
> 
> Honestly, is there anyone here who can tell me honestly that when they
> see the words "reserved" in the description of a bit field description
> (in a hardware programmers manual of some device, for example) that
> they think it's ok the read the value and interpret it in any way?
> 
> To me it's always meant "we want to do cool things in the future,
> things we haven't thought of now, so don't interpret these bits so we
> can do that and you will still work".

Generally it's to ensure that all implementations set those bit by
default to 0 as well.

Then in the future, 0 means "I don't support this feature either by
choice or by not implementing it yet".

JE

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-26  2:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-25  5:43 hotmail not dealing with ECN Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25  7:37 ` Juri Haberland
2001-01-25  9:06   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:12   ` Lincoln Dale
2001-01-25 23:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:30   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:38     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  1:43       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  1:49         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  2:10           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26  2:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26  8:54               ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 18:04                 ` Rick Jones
2001-01-27  7:11                   ` Rusty Russell
2001-01-31 10:56                   ` Alan Cox
2001-01-27  4:10                 ` David Wagner
2001-01-27  4:59                   ` Brian May
2001-01-27 18:18                   ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:20                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 19:22                       ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:58                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27 20:14                         ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 22:18                           ` David Schwartz
2001-01-27 23:09                             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:11                               ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  1:10                                 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  4:35                                   ` [OT] " Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 12:57                                     ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28 15:45                                       ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-28 19:30                                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 22:16                                         ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28  8:48                                 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28  0:06                             ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28  3:27                               ` David Schwartz
2001-01-28  0:58                     ` David Lang
2001-01-26  2:24             ` Johannes Erdfelt [this message]
2001-01-26  3:03             ` Brian May
2001-01-26  5:06             ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 14:04               ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-27 10:00           ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-31 10:46           ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 10:37     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 11:32       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 11:40         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 11:44           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 13:44             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:44               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:03                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:14                   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 15:24                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:05                     ` ECN Simon Kirby
2001-01-26 18:12                       ` ECN Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-26 15:16                   ` hotmail not dealing with ECN Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 15:27                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 22:26                       ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 22:30                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 15:35                     ` Marian Jancar
2001-01-26 16:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28  1:59                   ` Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 16:51                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 23:47               ` ECN -? Anything _I_ need to do to allow it? List User
2001-01-27  9:58                 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 11:50           ` hotmail not dealing with ECN David S. Miller
2001-01-26 13:52             ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 13:54               ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:12                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:08                 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:13                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:29                     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:55                       ` Chris Ricker
2001-01-26 18:37                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-26 19:17                           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 19:55                       ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 15:34                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:37                   ` Drago Goricanec
2001-01-26 14:11               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 18:19                 ` Olaf Titz
2001-01-26 14:10             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 14:39               ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:46                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 14:50                   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:57                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27  0:18             ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-27  0:15           ` Thunder from the hill
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-25 17:26 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-26  7:53 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-26 16:04 Randal, Phil
2001-01-26 16:37 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 17:18   ` Tony Hoyle
2001-01-26 18:42     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-31 16:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 17:28 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-26 21:21 ` David Ford
2001-01-29  9:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 17:14 James Sutherland
2001-01-26 23:25 ` Daniel Chemko
2001-01-26 19:43   ` Chris Meadors
2001-01-29 14:57     ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 17:53 Adam J. Richter
2001-01-26 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 18:15 ` Alan Shutko
2001-01-26 18:32 ` Graham Murray
     [not found] <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-01-26 21:52 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-01-26 21:59   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-27  9:48     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-27 18:55 Bernd Eckenfels

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