From: Gregory Maxwell <greg@linuxpower.cx>
To: Ben Ford <ben@kalifornia.com>
Cc: James Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk>, jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ECN: Clearing the air (fwd)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:45:35 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010128144535.D13195@xi.linuxpower.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0101280852470.14226-100000@green.csi.cam.ac.uk> <3A7426E1.728BB87D@kalifornia.com>
In-Reply-To: <3A7426E1.728BB87D@kalifornia.com>; from ben@kalifornia.com on Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 06:04:17AM -0800
On Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 06:04:17AM -0800, Ben Ford wrote:
> James Sutherland wrote:
[snip]
> > those firewalls should be updated to allow ECN-enabled packets
> > through. However, to break connectivity to such sites deliberately just
> > because they are not supporting an *experimental* extension to the current
> > protocols is rather silly.
>
> Do keep in mind, we aren't breaking connectivity, they are.
Thats the crux of the argument. No one made them run a firewall, they chose
one that blocks undefined behavior. The Internet is a dynamic system, they
broke the end-to-end model with their firewall, the onus is on them to keep
up.
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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-01-28 0:14 ECN: Clearing the air (fwd) jamal
2001-01-28 8:56 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 12:18 ` jamal
2001-01-28 13:29 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 14:34 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-28 16:44 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-29 7:32 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-29 12:30 ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-29 18:31 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-29 19:02 ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2001-01-29 19:27 ` George
2001-01-29 19:59 ` Alex Pennace
2001-01-28 14:54 ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-28 16:15 ` jamal
2001-01-28 17:11 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 18:07 ` jamal
2001-01-28 20:13 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-29 2:58 ` David Lang
2001-01-29 7:20 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-28 19:42 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-29 0:14 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-31 18:02 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-03 16:51 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-29 12:57 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-28 17:39 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-28 18:01 ` Graham Murray
2001-01-28 18:08 ` jamal
2001-01-28 18:23 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-28 18:38 ` jamal
2001-01-28 20:18 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 21:33 ` ECN fixes for Cisco gear Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 22:09 ` ECN connectivity surveys Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 21:45 ` ECN fixes for Cisco gear Lincoln Dale
2001-01-28 14:04 ` ECN: Clearing the air (fwd) Ben Ford
2001-01-28 14:09 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 15:38 ` Ben Ford
2001-01-28 19:55 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 19:45 ` Gregory Maxwell [this message]
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