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From: Don Dugger <n0ano@valinux.com>
To: Paul Flinders <P.Flinders@ftel.co.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: binfmt_script and ^M (historical note)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:17:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010306101733.L28504@valinux.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010305095512.A30787@tux.gsfc.nasa.gov> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103051224450.5591-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva> <20010305105943.A25964@iglou.com> <3AA3BC4E.FA794103@ftel.co.uk> <jeae70m97e.fsf@hawking.suse.de> <3AA3EEDF.D0547D4@dawa.demon.co.uk> <jeae6zkwmy.fsf@hawking.suse.de> <3AA4D92D.CDDB764D@ftel.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <3AA4D92D.CDDB764D@ftel.co.uk>; from P.Flinders@ftel.co.uk on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 12:33:49PM +0000

Paul-

Minor historical note.  The `#!' processing was never done by the
shell, this was always done in the kernel.  Think about about it,
the `#' character denotes a comment line, the shell ignores that
line.  `#!' was used to create a way for the kernel to execute
a shell script directly.  Since the kernel recognized the type of
executable based on a 16-bit magic number `#!' became a new magic
number that meant "break the remainder of the line into `program'
and `args' and then execute `program' with `args'".

A nice side effect of this is that it became a way to create shell
scripts that worked no matter what shell a user was running.  For
efficiency, most shells just read and execute a shell script so
releasing a Bourne shell script to a group of CSH users created
problems.  At the expense of a `fork' and `exec' the `#!' magic
number solved this problem.

On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 12:33:49PM +0000, Paul Flinders wrote:
> Andreas Schwab wrote:
> 
> > Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > |> Andreas Schwab wrote:
> > |>
> > |> > This [isspace('\r') == 1] has no significance here.  The right thing to
> > |>
> > |> > look at is $IFS, which does not contain \r by default.  The shell only splits
> > |>
> > |> > words by "IFS whitespace", and the kernel should be consistent with it:
> > |> >
> > |> > $ echo -e 'ls foo\r' | sh
> > |> > ls: foo: No such file or directory
> > |>
> > |> The problem with that argument is that #!<interpreter> can be applied
> > |> to more than just shells which understand $IFS, so which environment
> > |> variable does the kernel pick?
> >
> > The kernel should use the same default value of IFS as the Bourne shell,
> > ie. the same value you'll get with /bin/sh -c 'echo "$IFS"'.  This is
> > independent of any settings in the environment.
> >
> > |> It's a difficult one - logically white space should terminate the interpreter
> >
> > No, IFS-whitespace delimits arguments in the Bourne shell.
> 
> Way back whenever processing #! was moved from the
> shell to the kernel** this argument would have made sense -
> today I'm not so sure.
> 
> But I'm quite happy for the kernel to use just space and
> tab if it wishes, or anything else for that matter but it _is_
> confusing that the error code doesn't distinguish problems
> with the script from problems with the interpreter.
> 
> **Did linux ever rely on the shell for this?
> 
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-- 
Don Dugger
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-03-06 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-27 13:03 binfmt_script and ^M Ivo Timmermans
2001-02-27 13:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-27 13:47   ` Ivo Timmermans
2001-02-27 13:54     ` Alan Cox
2001-02-27 14:36       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-28 20:10   ` Erik Hensema
2001-03-01 12:04     ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-05 13:20       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2001-03-05 13:37         ` Andreas Schwab
2001-03-05 13:40         ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-03-05 14:55           ` John Kodis
2001-03-05 15:25             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-05 15:59               ` Jeff Mcadams
2001-03-05 16:18                 ` Paul Flinders
2001-03-05 17:12                   ` Andreas Schwab
2001-03-05 19:54                     ` Paul Flinders
2001-03-05 20:09                       ` Paul Flinders
2001-03-06 10:41                       ` Andreas Schwab
2001-03-06 12:33                         ` Paul Flinders
2001-03-06 14:45                           ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-03-06 15:12                             ` Sean Hunter
2001-03-06 15:37                               ` David Weinehall
2001-03-06 21:10                                 ` Thorsten Glaser Geuer
     [not found]                                   ` <20010308130145.O20737@dev.sportingbet.com>
2001-03-09 16:52                                     ` Thorsten Glaser Geuer
2001-03-06 15:53                               ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-06 16:59                               ` Xavier Bestel
2001-03-07  8:29                               ` Ondrej Sury
2001-03-06 18:17                           ` Don Dugger [this message]
2001-03-05 18:58                   ` Pozsar Balazs
2001-03-05 20:39                     ` Robert Read
2001-03-05 21:05                       ` Pozsar Balazs
2001-03-05 22:34                         ` Robert Read
2001-03-06 15:14                           ` Jeff Coy
2001-03-06 18:15                             ` Peter Samuelson
2001-03-06 18:36                               ` Jeff Coy
2001-03-06 20:26                                 ` John Kodis
2001-03-06 20:43                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2001-03-06  2:18                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-03-05 15:50             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-03-05 16:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-05 21:48             ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-03-06 18:19               ` Peter Samuelson
2001-03-06 21:04                 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-03-05 14:56           ` [PATCH]: print missing interpreter name [Was: Re: binfmt_script and ^M] Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2001-03-05 15:59             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-03-05 20:18               ` [PATCH #3]: " Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2001-03-05 16:37           ` binfmt_script and ^M Erik Hensema
2001-03-05 22:13             ` Pavel Machek

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