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From: Tim Wright <timw@splhi.com>
To: Ingo Oeser <ingo.oeser@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, torvalds@transmeta.com,
	hpa@transmeta.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Larger dev_t
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:28:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010403162810.B770@kochanski> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010403120911.B4561@nightmaster.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> <E14kPZz-0007tk-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010403142024.Z8155@nightmaster.csn.tu-chemnitz.de>
In-Reply-To: <20010403142024.Z8155@nightmaster.csn.tu-chemnitz.de>; from ingo.oeser@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 02:20:24PM +0200

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 02:20:24PM +0200, Ingo Oeser wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:06:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Device numbers/names have to be constant in order to detect
> > disk layout changes across boots.
> 
> Names stay constant, but why the NUMBERS? The names should stay
> constant and represent the actual layout on each busses (say:
> sane hierachic enumeration) of course.
> 

This ignores the issue that in some cases you cannot give a physical location.
Take the case of fibre-channel connected disks, potentially using multi-path
I/O. There is no "actual layout" since you don't have a fixed physical path.
At that point you have to have a more sophisticated naming scheme than the
physical location of the disk, since physical location loses its meaning.

You absolutely must avoid device name slippage. Whether this involves major
and minor numbers is pretty much orthogonal. Major and minor numbers provided
a nice and simple way for the kernel to map a device open into a driver and an
argument to said driver. There are obviously other (more complex ways) of
achieving the same thing. An obvious answer for hard disks is some form of
labelling. Equally obviously, this does not solve the problem of e.g.
fibre-channel connected tape drives.

Regards,

Tim

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-03 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-02 20:17 Larger dev_t Andries.Brouwer
2001-04-02 21:45 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03  7:28 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 10:09 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-04-03 12:06   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 12:20     ` Ingo Oeser
2001-04-03 12:15       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 12:53         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 16:05           ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-03 16:34             ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-03 16:58               ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-03 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 17:02               ` Richard Gooch
2001-04-03 12:41       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 23:28       ` Tim Wright [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-03 14:48 Wayne.Brown
2001-04-03 15:34 ` Bart Trojanowski
2001-04-02 21:59 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-27 22:38 Jesse Pollard
2001-03-27 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27  9:29 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-27 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-27 19:28   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 19:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-27 21:21       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-27 21:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-27 22:02           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-27 23:57             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-28 21:23               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 21:40                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-28 21:44                 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-27 22:16           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-27 22:16             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 22:43               ` Russell King
2001-03-28 16:59                 ` Jeff Randall
2001-03-28  0:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-28  0:10               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-28  0:24                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-28  2:19               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-28  7:08                 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-28 21:32                 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-29  3:53                   ` Alan Cox
2001-03-29 11:02                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-02 20:02                       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03  7:25                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 12:19                           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-03 12:13                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-04-03 12:38                               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-04  8:08                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-03-30  6:54                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-03-28 21:18             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-27 22:13         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 22:55           ` Dan Hollis
2001-03-27 22:58             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-27 23:42               ` Richard Gooch
2001-03-28  1:03             ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-28  1:35               ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-27 23:44           ` Andrew Pimlott
2001-03-28  0:28             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-03-28  3:58           ` Johan Kullstam
2001-03-28  4:23             ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 11:57             ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-28 18:13               ` Oliver Neukum
2001-03-28 19:05                 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-28 19:50                   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-03-28 21:36             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 21:09           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 21:24             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-03-28 21:46               ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 20:54     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-28 11:52   ` Pjotr Kourzanoff
2001-03-28 12:11   ` Tim Jansen
2001-03-27 19:27 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-03-26 21:18 John Byrne
2001-03-26 22:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-26 23:41 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-25 12:31 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-25 15:35 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-03-25 16:15   ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2001-03-25 16:54     ` Michel Wilson
2001-03-25 17:12       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-03-25 17:00     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-03-25 17:07     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-03-25 17:37       ` Michel Wilson
2001-03-25 18:21   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-25 20:50     ` diego
2001-03-25 17:55 ` Gerry
2001-03-27  6:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-24 16:13 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24 14:25 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24 14:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-03-24 15:00   ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-25 14:22   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25  3:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-25 14:35   ` Martin Dalecki

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