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From: Aaron Lehmann <aaronl@vitelus.com>
To: Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>
Cc: Michael Peddemors <michael@linuxmagic.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: goodbye
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:19:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010407231956.A344@vitelus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104031800030.14090-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva> <20010404012102Z131724-406+7418@vger.kernel.org> <20010408023228.L805@mea-ext.zmailer.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010408023228.L805@mea-ext.zmailer.org>; from matti.aarnio@zmailer.org on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:32:28AM +0300

On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:32:28AM +0300, Matti Aarnio wrote:
> 	The incentive behind the DUL is to force users not to post
> 	straight out to the world, but to use their ISP's servers
> 	for outbound email --- normal M$ users do that, after all.
> 	Only spammers - and UNIX powerusers - want to post directly
> 	to the world from dialups.  And UNIX powerusers should know
> 	better, and be able to use ISP relay service anyway.

Personally, this concerns me.

I have a personal mailserver on my DSL line. Now, DSL isn't dialup,
but it's quite widespread and I'm sure it's even more popular among
spammers than the mass market. The doomsday scenario is that one day
all messages messages will have to be relayed through Hotmail, Yahoo,
or another one of a handful of large, untrustworthy corporations. Of
course I know this isn't likely, but what's to prevent people who
can't afford T1's from becoming unable to run mail servers?

It scares me that peoples' messages would be denied based on what
degree of connection they choose to mail via. I sincerely hope that
the DUL lists only list netblocks that are actively being used for
spam. This would be sort of like the Usenet Death Penalty, instating
bans on providers who refuse to deal with spamming. I think that's a
lot more acceptable than shutting everyone who happens to connect to
the internet in a certain way from sending mail directly out of their
local machines.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-08  6:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-03 21:01 goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-04  1:14 ` goodbye Michael Peddemors
2001-04-07 23:32   ` goodbye Matti Aarnio
2001-04-08  4:09     ` goodbye Ralf Baechle
2001-04-08  4:17     ` goodbye David Fries
2001-04-12 21:31       ` goodbye Mike Fedyk
2001-04-08  5:10     ` goodbye kumon
     [not found]       ` <20010408011915.A14899@whitestar.soark.net>
2001-04-08  5:31         ` goodbye kumon
2001-04-08 10:22       ` goodbye Matti Aarnio
2001-04-08 11:50         ` goodbye kumon
2001-04-08 13:56         ` goodbye Rogier Wolff
2001-04-08 18:00           ` goodbye Davide Libenzi
2001-04-08 22:10           ` goodbye David Woodhouse
2001-04-09 19:12           ` goodbye Alan Cox
2001-04-09 19:36             ` goodbye Rogier Wolff
2001-04-08  5:58     ` goodbye Graham Murray
2001-04-08  6:19     ` Aaron Lehmann [this message]
2001-04-08 10:58       ` goodbye Olaf Titz
2001-04-09  4:33     ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09  4:51       ` goodbye David S. Miller
2001-04-09  5:50         ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09  6:47           ` goodbye Richard Gooch
2001-04-09 12:58             ` goodbye Billy Harvey
2001-04-09 17:58             ` goodbye || alternatives David
2001-04-09 22:00           ` goodbye Matti Aarnio
2001-04-09 22:00             ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09 23:40             ` goodbye Joseph Carter
2001-04-10  0:46               ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09 19:30       ` goodbye Alan Cox
2001-04-09 19:20     ` [OT] goodbye Michael Peddemors
2001-04-09 21:34       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-09 22:23         ` Matti Aarnio
2001-04-09 22:58           ` David
     [not found]   ` <9ao861$f1$1@ns1.clouddancer.com>
2001-04-08  2:07     ` goodbye Colonel
2001-04-08  2:56       ` goodbye john slee
2001-04-08  4:02         ` goodbye Joseph Carter
2001-04-08 13:22           ` goodbye Jeff Mcadams
2001-04-08 13:22           ` goodbye David Woodhouse
2001-04-08 15:41             ` goodbye Joseph Carter
2001-04-08  4:46         ` goodbye Stephen Satchell
2001-04-08 13:26         ` goodbye Rogier Wolff
2001-04-08 19:15         ` goodbye Ben Ford
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-03 21:56 Goodbye Matthew Fredrickson
2001-04-03 22:21 ` Goodbye Ion Badulescu
2001-04-09 14:22 goodbye Wayne.Brown
2001-04-09 14:28 ` goodbye David Woodhouse
2001-04-09 17:57 ` goodbye Stephen E. Clark
2001-04-09 15:12 goodbye Wayne.Brown

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