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From: klink@clouddancer.com (Colonel)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: goodbye
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010408020720.55CC8683B@mail.clouddancer.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ao861$f1$1@ns1.clouddancer.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104031800030.14090-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>    <20010404012102Z131724-406+7418@vger.kernel.org> <20010408023228.L805@mea-ext.zmailer.org> <20010404012102Z131724-406+7418@vger.kernel.org>;    from michael@linuxmagic.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 06:14:33PM -0700 <9ao861$f1$1@ns1.clouddancer.com>

In list.kernel, you wrote:
>
>On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 06:14:33PM -0700, Michael Peddemors wrote:
>> I think that this is one list where we have to keep the ability to post
>> from individuals separate from the need to make sure that their ISP or
>> company is compliant to a set a of rules..  The LKML can't toe the
>> strictest of lines, without loosing some possibly valuable
>> contributors..
>
>	Well, comparing how much spam goes thru linux-mm vs. linux-kernel,
>	I would say our methods are fairly effective.

A stupid measure, since you cannot determine what was rejected, i.e. how
many babies you threw out with the bathwater.

>	The incentive behind the DUL is to force users not to post
>	straight out to the world, but to use their ISP's servers
>	for outbound email --- normal M$ users do that, after all.


Some ISPs rely on crap software & OS to process email, and have other
bad habits besides.  Censorship usually does more bad than good
(especially since dealing with 80% of the spam is trivial for
procmail), as has been pointed out in this case.  The stupidity of the
this approach is well shown by the email-blacklist groups blacklisting
each other, I would think that lkml had more brains.

Controlling email is a power game, where you set yourself up as a tin
god and proclaim that you alone know what is safe for the "dumb"
masses to read.  Perhaps the lkml sheep will abide by such control, but
I would think that 'free software' would have 'free discussions'.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-08  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-03 21:01 goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-04  1:14 ` goodbye Michael Peddemors
2001-04-07 23:32   ` goodbye Matti Aarnio
2001-04-08  4:09     ` goodbye Ralf Baechle
2001-04-08  4:17     ` goodbye David Fries
2001-04-12 21:31       ` goodbye Mike Fedyk
2001-04-08  5:10     ` goodbye kumon
     [not found]       ` <20010408011915.A14899@whitestar.soark.net>
2001-04-08  5:31         ` goodbye kumon
2001-04-08 10:22       ` goodbye Matti Aarnio
2001-04-08 11:50         ` goodbye kumon
2001-04-08 13:56         ` goodbye Rogier Wolff
2001-04-08 18:00           ` goodbye Davide Libenzi
2001-04-08 22:10           ` goodbye David Woodhouse
2001-04-09 19:12           ` goodbye Alan Cox
2001-04-09 19:36             ` goodbye Rogier Wolff
2001-04-08  5:58     ` goodbye Graham Murray
2001-04-08  6:19     ` goodbye Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-08 10:58       ` goodbye Olaf Titz
2001-04-09  4:33     ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09  4:51       ` goodbye David S. Miller
2001-04-09  5:50         ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09  6:47           ` goodbye Richard Gooch
2001-04-09 12:58             ` goodbye Billy Harvey
2001-04-09 17:58             ` goodbye || alternatives David
2001-04-09 22:00           ` goodbye Matti Aarnio
2001-04-09 22:00             ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09 23:40             ` goodbye Joseph Carter
2001-04-10  0:46               ` goodbye Rik van Riel
2001-04-09 19:30       ` goodbye Alan Cox
2001-04-09 19:20     ` [OT] goodbye Michael Peddemors
2001-04-09 21:34       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-09 22:23         ` Matti Aarnio
2001-04-09 22:58           ` David
     [not found]   ` <9ao861$f1$1@ns1.clouddancer.com>
2001-04-08  2:07     ` Colonel [this message]
2001-04-08  2:56       ` goodbye john slee
2001-04-08  4:02         ` goodbye Joseph Carter
2001-04-08 13:22           ` goodbye Jeff Mcadams
2001-04-08 13:22           ` goodbye David Woodhouse
2001-04-08 15:41             ` goodbye Joseph Carter
2001-04-08  4:46         ` goodbye Stephen Satchell
2001-04-08 13:26         ` goodbye Rogier Wolff
2001-04-08 19:15         ` goodbye Ben Ford
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-03 21:56 Goodbye Matthew Fredrickson
2001-04-03 22:21 ` Goodbye Ion Badulescu
2001-04-09 14:22 goodbye Wayne.Brown
2001-04-09 14:28 ` goodbye David Woodhouse
2001-04-09 17:57 ` goodbye Stephen E. Clark
2001-04-09 15:12 goodbye Wayne.Brown

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