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From: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
To: David Schleef <ds@schleef.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	Mark Salisbury <mbs@mc.com>, Jeff Dike <jdike@karaya.com>,
	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: No 100 HZ timer !
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:51:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010410115133.B21319@hq.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010410002852.4212A-100000@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <E14mkGA-000341-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010410044336.A1934@stm.lbl.gov>
In-Reply-To: <20010410044336.A1934@stm.lbl.gov>; from ds@schleef.org on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:43:36AM -0700

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:43:36AM -0700, David Schleef wrote:
> However, on machines without a monotonically increasing counter,
> i.e., the TSC, you have to use 8254 timer 0 as both the timebase
> and the interval counter -- you end up slowly losing time because
> of the race condition between reading the timer and writing a
> new interval.  RTAI's solution is to disable kd_mksound and
> use timer 2 as a poor man's TSC.  If either of those is too big
> of a price, it may suffice to report that the timer granularity
> on 486's is 10 ms.

Just for the record, Michael Barabanov did this in RTLinux from before
kd_mksound was a function pointer in 1995. Michael had an optimization
attempt using channel 1 for a while, but on very slow machines this 
was not sufficient and he went back to channel 2. Of course, the 
fundamental problem is that board designers keep putting an 1920s
part in machines built in 2001. 

Here's the comment from the RTLinux 0.5 patch -- all available on the archives
on rtlinux.com.

+/* The main procedure; resets the 8254 timer to generate an interrupt.  The
+ * tricky part is to keep the global time while reprogramming it.  We latch
+ * counters 0 and 2 atomically before and after reprogramming to figure it out.
+ */


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------
Victor Yodaiken 
Finite State Machine Labs: The RTLinux Company.
 www.fsmlabs.com  www.rtlinux.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-10 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-09 15:54 No 100 HZ timer ! schwidefsky
2001-04-09 18:30 ` Jeff Dike
2001-04-09 18:19   ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-09 20:12     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-09 20:32       ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-09 22:31       ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-04-09 22:35         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 11:43           ` David Schleef
2001-04-10 12:04             ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-04-10 12:31               ` David Schleef
2001-04-10 12:34                 ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-10 14:10                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-04-10 13:35                   ` root
2001-04-10 14:22                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 15:43                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-12  5:25                     ` watermodem
2001-04-12  8:45                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-10 17:15                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-10 17:27                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 17:35                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-10 18:17                         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 18:24                           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-10 19:28                             ` george anzinger
2001-04-10 20:02                               ` mark salisbury
2001-04-10 22:08                                 ` george anzinger
2001-04-11  0:48                                   ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-11  2:35                                     ` george anzinger
2001-04-12  0:24                                       ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-11 16:11                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-11 16:59                                       ` george anzinger
2001-04-11 18:57                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-11 19:21                                           ` John Alvord
2001-04-12  8:41                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-01  1:08                               ` george anzinger
2001-08-11 11:57                                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-14 15:59                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-08-14 16:57                                     ` george anzinger
2001-04-10 19:50                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2001-04-11 11:42                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2001-04-11 16:13                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-12  9:51                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2001-04-10 19:42                       ` Zdenek Kabelac
2001-04-10 12:19             ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-10 17:51             ` yodaiken [this message]
2001-04-11 18:43           ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-04-10 12:11       ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-10  5:51     ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10  9:33       ` Martin Mares
2001-04-10 10:00         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-10 12:14         ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-11  5:55           ` Karim Yaghmour
2001-04-10 11:18       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 12:02         ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 12:12           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 12:27             ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-10 12:32             ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 12:36               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 12:37                 ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 18:45               ` Stephen D. Williams
2001-04-10 19:59                 ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 12:07       ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-10 12:45         ` Andi Kleen
2001-04-10 12:42           ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-10 12:54             ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-10  7:27 schwidefsky
2001-04-10  7:29 schwidefsky
2001-04-10 11:38 schwidefsky
2001-04-10 11:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-10 12:54 schwidefsky
2001-04-10 14:42 schwidefsky
2001-04-11  9:06 schwidefsky
2001-04-11 17:56 No 100 HZ timer! Bret Indrelee
2001-04-12 17:39 ` george anzinger
2001-04-12 21:19   ` Bret Indrelee
2001-04-12 22:20     ` george anzinger
2001-04-13  4:00       ` Bret Indrelee
2001-04-13  6:32         ` Ben Greear
2001-04-13  8:42           ` george anzinger
2001-04-13 10:36             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-13 16:07               ` george anzinger
2001-04-13 23:00                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-13 12:05           ` Horst von Brand
2001-04-13 21:53             ` george anzinger
2001-04-13 23:10               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-16  3:02                 ` Ben Greear
2001-04-16  2:46                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-16 12:36                     ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-16 19:19                       ` george anzinger
2001-04-16 20:45                         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-16 21:29                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-04-16 22:25                           ` george anzinger
2001-04-16 23:57                         ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-17  0:45                           ` george anzinger
2001-04-17 12:12                             ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-17 12:51                         ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-17 18:53                           ` george anzinger
2001-04-17 19:41                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-04-23  8:05                             ` Ulrich Windl
2001-04-23 13:22                               ` Mark Salisbury
2001-04-16  2:41               ` Ben Greear
2001-04-12 12:58 No 100 HZ timer ! Mark Salisbury
2001-04-12 13:14 No 100 HZ timer! Bret Indrelee
2001-08-01 17:22 No 100 HZ timer ! george anzinger
2001-08-01 19:34 ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-01 19:49   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-01 20:08     ` Mark Salisbury
2001-08-01 20:33     ` george anzinger
2001-08-01 21:20   ` george anzinger
2001-08-02  4:28     ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-02  6:03       ` george anzinger
2001-08-02 14:39         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-02 16:36           ` george anzinger
2001-08-02 17:05             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-02 17:46               ` george anzinger
2001-08-02 18:41                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-02 21:18                   ` george anzinger
2001-08-02 22:09                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-02 17:26             ` John Alvord

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