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From: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: imel96@trustix.co.id
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Single user linux
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:43:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010424184347.A3416@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104240752320.6992-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104241917540.16169-100000@tessy.trustix.co.id>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104241917540.16169-100000@tessy.trustix.co.id>; from imel96@trustix.co.id on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:44:17PM +0700

On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:44:17PM +0700, imel96@trustix.co.id wrote:
> come on, it's hard for me as it's hard for you. not everybody
> expect a computer to be like people here thinks how a computer
> should be.

I'm sorry, you're looking at the problem the wrong way around.
Its not a kernel problem, but a user space problem.

> think about personal devices. something like the nokia communicator.
> a system security passwd is acceptable, but that's it. no those-
> device-user would like to know about user account, file ownership,
> etc. they just want to use it.

If you do everything as one user, then you are effectively in a
single-user mode.  Just make sure that the user owns all the files
that they might need.

Your change still doesn't get rid of the /bin/login program - you still
have to do that, so why not do it anyway?

Also, I know of no personal device that gives you access to system
software (which is effectively what giving a user 'root' access
gives you).  How many users do you know who can copy the firmware
in their phone or organiser?

> that also explain why win95 user doesn't want to use NT. not
> because they can't afford it (belive me, here NT costs only
> us$2), but additional headache isn't acceptable.

I'm sorry, that's a different problem, and _even_ Windows 95 and 98
has a "User Logon".  Only if you use the system in a single user mode
does it not have a logon.  You can do the same with Linux again
without making kernel modifications.

I'd like to point out that RedHat have thought about this, and they
have some of the infrastructure in there to automatically log you
on at boot time in (within X).

As I say, this is a user space issue, and distributions are addressing
it adequately.

--
Russell King (rmk@arm.linux.org.uk)                The developer of ARM Linux
             http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/personal/aboutme.html


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-24 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103181407520.1426-100000@mikeg.weiden.de>
2001-03-18 14:43 ` changing mm->mmap_sem (was: Re: system call for process information?) Rik van Riel
2001-03-18 18:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-24 11:44     ` [PATCH] Single user linux imel96
2001-04-24 12:04       ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 12:44         ` imel96
2001-04-24 12:58           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 13:27             ` imel96
2001-04-24 13:38               ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 14:04                 ` problem found (was Re: [PATCH] Single user linux) imel96
2001-04-24 14:06                   ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 14:47                     ` Xavier Bestel
2001-04-25 18:13                   ` Paul Jakma
2001-04-25  0:01                 ` [PATCH] Single user linux Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:07                   ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:16                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-25  0:34                       ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:52                         ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-25  7:46                           ` Ronald Bultje
2001-04-25 14:17                             ` Disconnect
2001-04-27 20:06                               ` Jim Gettys
2001-04-26 19:41                           ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-27 19:00                             ` Erik Mouw
2001-04-27 13:12                         ` Robert Varga
2001-04-27 12:42                           ` [OT] linux on pda was " Collectively Unconscious
2001-04-27 19:05                             ` Erik Mouw
2001-04-27 13:34                           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:20                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:32                       ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:35                         ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:43                           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  7:45                         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-25  7:55                           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25 15:07                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-25 14:42                         ` Jordan Crouse
2001-04-26 19:47                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-25  1:12                       ` Disconnect
2001-04-25  0:26                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-25  7:13                     ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-26 19:54                       ` agenda & vtech helio [was Re: [PATCH] Single user linux] Pavel Machek
2001-04-25  7:04                   ` [PATCH] Single user linux Mike A. Harris
2001-04-26 19:35                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-27 14:26                   ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 13:40               ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-25  5:29               ` Ben Ford
2001-04-24 12:59           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 13:02           ` Sean Hunter
2001-04-24 13:03           ` Roland Seuhs
2001-04-24 13:50             ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 13:13           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-04-24 13:37             ` imel96
2001-04-25  7:57               ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-25 10:42               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-24 14:03           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:10             ` imel96
2001-04-24 14:27               ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 14:30               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 15:07             ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-04-24 17:43           ` Russell King [this message]
2001-04-24 18:37           ` Garett Spencley
2001-04-24 12:51       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-24 13:07         ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 12:52       ` [OFFTOPIC] " Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 13:18         ` Tomas Telensky
2001-04-24 13:34           ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-24 13:40             ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 14:18               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:22                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 14:37                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:41                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 14:47                     ` CaT
2001-04-24 14:59                       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 15:11                         ` CaT
2001-04-24 15:53                           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 16:04                             ` Alex Riesen
2001-04-24 17:02                             ` Jesse Pollard
2001-04-24 17:16                               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 17:30                             ` Markus Schaber
2001-04-24 14:30                 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-04-24 14:49                   ` Pjotr Kourzanoff
2001-04-24 14:56                     ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-04-24 14:59                     ` CaT
2001-04-24 15:17                       ` Pjotr Kourzanoff
2001-04-24 14:50                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-24 15:00                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 13:37           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 13:52             ` Tomas Telensky
2001-04-24 14:07               ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 19:03           ` David Gómez 
2001-04-25  5:26           ` Ben Ford
2001-04-24 17:55       ` J Sloan
2001-04-24 17:06     ` Stephen Satchell
2001-04-24 16:55 Torrey Hoffman
     [not found] <988158045.12859@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-04-25  0:48 ` Stuart Lynne
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-25 12:04 imel96
2001-04-25 13:00 ` Leonid Mamtchenkov
2001-04-25 13:07 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-25 21:30   ` John Cavan
2001-04-26 12:11     ` imel96
2001-04-26 12:24       ` David Weinehall
2001-04-26 12:36         ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 12:33       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 12:34       ` Rasmus Bøg Hansen
2001-04-26 14:03         ` imel96
2001-04-26 17:00           ` Ken Brownfield
2001-04-26 17:22             ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-26 19:40               ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 20:18                 ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-26 20:47           ` Rasmus Bøg Hansen
2001-04-27  7:08           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-26 17:16         ` Stephen Satchell
2001-04-26 18:11       ` John Cavan
2001-04-27  9:30         ` imel96
2001-04-25 13:41 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26  9:46 ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-26 11:31   ` imel96
2001-04-26 13:47     ` Ronald Bultje
2001-04-27  9:31     ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-27 13:45       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-25 18:34 Rick Hohensee
2001-04-25 20:12 ` Markus Schaber
2001-04-25 20:58 Jesse Pollard

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