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From: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
To: imel96@trustix.co.id
Cc: John Cavan <johnc@damncats.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Single user linux
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:24:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010426142437.C3027@khan.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AE741EA.561BE01F@damncats.org> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104261836130.1677-100000@tessy.trustix.co.id>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104261836130.1677-100000@tessy.trustix.co.id>; from imel96@trustix.co.id on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:11:24PM +0700

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:11:24PM +0700, imel96@trustix.co.id wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, John Cavan wrote:
> 
> > Several distributions (Red Hat and Mandrake certainly) offer auto-login
> > tools. In conjunction with those tools, take the approach that Apple
> > used with OS X and setup "sudo" for administrative tasks on the machine.
> > This allows the end user to generally administer the machine without all
> > the need to hack the kernel, modify login, operate as root, etc. You can
> > even restrict their actions with it and log what they do.
> >
> > In the end though, I really don't see the big deal with having a root
> > user for general home use. Even traditionally stand-alone operating
> >
> 
> you're right, we could do it in more than one way. like copying
> with mcopy without mounting a fat disk. the question is where to put it.
> why we do it is an important thing.
> taking place as a clueless user, i think i should be able to do anything.
> i'd be happy to accept proof that multi-user is a solution for
> clueless user, not because it's proven on servers. but because it is
> a solution by definition.

Look, all of this is VERY simple. There is only one single person you
have to convince to get this into the kernel. And you DO have to convince
him, because no matter how many others you try to force this upon, nothing
gets into the kernel without the consent of the almighty penguin.

So do us all a favour, send this patch to Linus. I'd give you a 1/10 chance
of getting a reply at all, and a 1/100000000000000 that the answer won't
be along the terms of "No way in hell, never!" (possibly worded a bit
different.) If you don't get any response in say a week or so, just give
up.


/David Weinehall
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-26 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-25 12:04 [PATCH] Single user linux imel96
2001-04-25 13:00 ` Leonid Mamtchenkov
2001-04-25 13:07 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-25 21:30   ` John Cavan
2001-04-26 12:11     ` imel96
2001-04-26 12:24       ` David Weinehall [this message]
2001-04-26 12:36         ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 12:33       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 12:34       ` Rasmus Bøg Hansen
2001-04-26 14:03         ` imel96
2001-04-26 17:00           ` Ken Brownfield
2001-04-26 17:22             ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-26 19:40               ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 20:18                 ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-26 20:47           ` Rasmus Bøg Hansen
2001-04-27  7:08           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-26 17:16         ` Stephen Satchell
2001-04-26 18:11       ` John Cavan
2001-04-27  9:30         ` imel96
2001-04-25 13:41 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26  9:46 ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-26 11:31   ` imel96
2001-04-26 13:47     ` Ronald Bultje
2001-04-27  9:31     ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-27 13:45       ` Mohammad A. Haque
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-25 20:58 Jesse Pollard
2001-04-25 18:34 Rick Hohensee
2001-04-25 20:12 ` Markus Schaber
     [not found] <988158045.12859@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-04-25  0:48 ` Stuart Lynne
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104241830020.11899-100000@tessy.trustix.co. id>
2001-03-18 18:13 ` changing mm->mmap_sem (was: Re: system call for process information?) Linus Torvalds
2001-04-24 11:44   ` [PATCH] Single user linux imel96
2001-04-24 12:04     ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 12:44       ` imel96
2001-04-24 12:58         ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 13:27           ` imel96
2001-04-24 13:38             ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:01               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:07                 ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:16                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-25  0:34                     ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:52                       ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-25  7:46                         ` Ronald Bultje
2001-04-25 14:17                           ` Disconnect
2001-04-27 20:06                             ` Jim Gettys
2001-04-26 19:41                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-27 19:00                           ` Erik Mouw
2001-04-27 13:12                       ` Robert Varga
2001-04-27 13:34                         ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:20                   ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:32                     ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:35                       ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:43                         ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  7:45                       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-25  7:55                         ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25 15:07                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-25 14:42                       ` Jordan Crouse
2001-04-26 19:47                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-25  1:12                     ` Disconnect
2001-04-25  0:26                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-25  7:13                   ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-25  7:04                 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-26 19:35               ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-27 14:26                 ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 13:40             ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-25  5:29             ` Ben Ford
2001-04-24 12:59         ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 13:02         ` Sean Hunter
2001-04-24 13:03         ` Roland Seuhs
2001-04-24 13:50           ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 13:13         ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-04-24 13:37           ` imel96
2001-04-25  7:57             ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-25 10:42             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-24 14:03         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:10           ` imel96
2001-04-24 14:27             ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 14:30             ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 15:07           ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-04-24 17:43         ` Russell King
2001-04-24 18:37         ` Garett Spencley
2001-04-24 12:51     ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-24 13:07       ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 17:55     ` J Sloan
2001-04-24 17:06   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-04-24 16:55 Torrey Hoffman

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