From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: David Emory Watson <demoryw@pacbell.net>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
aia21@cam.ac.uk, stoffel@casc.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..."
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:53:36 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010430025335.A5189@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104300145050.4113-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade>
In-Reply-To: <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade>; from demoryw@pacbell.net on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:12:18PM -0700
David Emory Watson <demoryw@pacbell.net>:
> Oh. Well in hindsight, I guess your are right. After all I wouldn't
> want to be a luser, much less associated with AOL. Gosh I never
> realized. Maybe I just didn't read the right standards manual when I
> started using the internet. Where did you learn all of this? No,
> nevermind I don't care. I'm sorry for contributing to this silly flame
> war.
Time for me to put on my hacker-folklorist hat...
Actually, Al is sort of half-right here. There used to be a 4-lines-or-less
convention on USENET, back in the days when bandwidth was expensive. I
adhered to it then, because it mattered.
Nowadays it doesn't -- at least not at that level. Huge sigs with
embedded ASCII graphics and the like are still best avoided, but merely
because they're tasteless and distracting.
I don't think I've heard anyone invoke the 4-line rule since about
1992, though. I didn't start generating short random quotes into my sig
until about 1996, well after the "standard" was effectively dead.
Despite the demise of the 4-line standard, I have a pretty definite
impression that the average size of sigs actually dropped in the 1990s.
The main thing that formerly inflated a lot of them was the need to
list multiple bang-path addresses and other forms of contact info.
Reliable @-addressing pretty much eliminated that pressure.
Even back in its day this "rule" was frequently abused as a socially
acceptable way to attack people whose opinions or style one disliked.
This is doubtless one reason it failed to survive the bandwidth boom.
Hmmm. Maybe this should be a Jargon File entry...
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very thing
that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder.
-- Frederick Bastiat
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-04-30 6:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-04-27 23:35 CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-29 15:12 ` John Stoffel
2001-04-29 22:35 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-29 22:43 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 16:28 ` John Stoffel
2001-04-30 17:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 19:16 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-04-30 19:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-01 9:23 ` Requirement of make oldconfig [was: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka ...] Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-05-01 16:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-01 21:35 ` Olivier Galibert
2001-05-01 22:26 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-02 13:32 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-05-02 17:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-02 20:12 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-03 7:04 ` Hierarchy doesn't solve the problem Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 7:34 ` Urban Widmark
2001-05-03 7:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 14:33 ` Juan Quintela
2001-05-03 16:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 22:20 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-03 12:32 ` Requirement of make oldconfig [was: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka ...] Horst von Brand
2001-05-03 12:47 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 13:24 ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-03 14:40 ` Juan Quintela
2001-05-03 16:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 16:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 17:36 ` Alan Cox
2001-04-30 1:36 ` CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Anton Altaparmakov
2001-04-30 1:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 2:13 ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-04-30 2:24 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30 5:41 ` David Emory Watson
2001-04-30 5:50 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30 6:12 ` David Emory Watson
2001-04-30 6:53 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-04-30 7:11 ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-04-30 7:17 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30 14:25 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-04-30 15:54 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 10:57 ` John Cowan
2001-04-30 13:30 ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-30 13:29 ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-30 7:05 ` volodya
2001-04-30 7:23 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30 7:40 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 9:09 ` [Moving rapidly offtopic] " Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-30 16:16 ` nick
2001-04-30 17:12 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 17:20 ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-04-30 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-30 19:44 ` [kbuild-devel] " Gerhard Mack
2001-04-30 19:47 ` nick
2001-04-30 3:26 ` volodya
2001-04-30 7:52 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-04-30 8:03 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 16:17 ` volodya
2001-04-30 8:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
[not found] ` <15084.12830.973535.153706@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2001-04-29 22:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
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