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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Ingo Oeser <ingo.oeser@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>,
	CML2 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Why recovering from broken configs is too hard
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 05:43:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010503054349.C28728@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010503104511.C754@nightmaster.csn.tu-chemnitz.de> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105030452310.15957-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105030452310.15957-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>; from viro@math.psu.edu on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:14:45AM -0400

Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>:
> Assertion: you can split the set of variables into disjoint union of
> small subsets X, Y_1,...,Y_m such that each constraint is concerned
> only with variables from X and at most one of Y_i.
> 
> IOW, there is a small "core" and for fixed values of core variables
> constraints fall into groups, each dealing with its own _small_
> set of variables.
> 
> If that assertion is true the complexity is nowhere near 3^N.
> 
> Eric, you probably have the most accurate information about the
> existing constraints. Care to verify the assertion above? I'm
> serious - the set of constraints is very far from generic and
> if nothing else, such preprocessing (splitting variables into
> core and peripherial groups) can make life easier in other
> parts of the thing.

You're almost right.  If you counted only explicit constraints, 
created by require statements, you get a bunch of cliques that
aren't that large.

Unfortunately....there are a huge bunch of implicit constraints
created by dependency relationships in the menu tree.  For example,
all SCSI cards are dependents of the SCSI symbol.  Set SCSI to N
and all the card symbols get turned off; set any card symbol to Y or M
and the value of SCSI goes to Y or M correspondingly.

So the way it actually works (I think; I've have to write code to do a
topological analysis to be sure) out is that there's sort of a light
dust of atoms (BSD quota is one of them) surrounding one huge gnarly
menu-tree-shaped clique.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Strict gun laws are about as effective as strict drug laws...It pains
me to say this, but the NRA seems to be right: The cities and states
that have the toughest gun laws have the most murder and mayhem.
        -- Mike Royko, Chicago Tribune

  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-03  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-03  7:47 Why recovering from broken configs is too hard Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03  8:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-03  8:09   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03  8:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-03  8:42 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2001-05-03  8:52   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03  8:45 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-03  9:14   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-03  9:43     ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-05-03  9:56       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 10:00       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-03 15:55         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 18:36           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-03 14:54       ` David Mansfield
2001-05-03 15:58         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 18:13           ` John Stoffel
2001-05-03  9:32   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 10:15 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-05-03 16:59   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 17:48     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 18:30       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 18:41         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 19:03           ` Device driver from kernel2.2.x to kernel2.4 jalaja devi
2001-05-04  1:39             ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-03 22:58     ` [kbuild-devel] Why recovering from broken configs is too hard Keith Owens
2001-05-03 19:20 ` Michal Jaegermann
2001-05-03 23:58 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-03 22:55   ` David Lang
2001-05-04  7:47   ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond

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