* OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code
@ 2001-05-03 21:38 Miles Lane
2001-05-03 22:49 ` OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Alan Cox
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From: Miles Lane @ 2001-05-03 21:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
Sorry for sending a link to a (albeit, free) subcription
service earlier. Here's the text of the article, in case
you are interested in Microsoft's latest shinanigans.
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May 3, 2001
Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code
By JOHN MARKOFF
SAN FRANCISCO, May 2 - Microsoft is preparing a broad campaign
countering the movement to give away and share software code, arguing
that it potentially undermines the intellectual property of countries
and companies. At the same time, the company is acknowledging that it is
feeling pressure from the freely shared alternatives to its commercial
software.
In a speech defending Microsoft's business model, to be given on
Thursday at the Stern School of Business at New York University, Craig
Mundie, a senior vice president at Microsoft and one of its software
strategists, will argue that the company already follows the best
attributes of the open-source model by sharing the original programmer's
instructions, or source code, more widely than is generally realized.
The speech is part of an effort by Microsoft to raise questions about
the limits of innovation inherent in the open-source approach and to
suggest that companies adopting the approach are putting their
intellectual property at risk.
Advocates of the open-source movement say that making the code available
permits other developers to tinker with it, find problems and improve
the software. Although the movement has not yet had a significant effect
on sales of Microsoft's Office and Windows products in the personal
computer market, the company wants to enter the corporate software
market, where open source has gained ground.
In is speech, Mr. Mundie will argue that one aspect of the open-source
model, known as the General Public License, or G.P.L., is a potential
trap that undercuts the commercial software business and mirrors some of
the worst practices of dot-com businesses, in which goods were given
away in an effort to attract visitors to Web sites. G.P.L. requires
that any software using source code already covered by the licensing
agreement must become available for free distribution.
"This viral aspect of the G.P.L. poses a threat to the intellectual
property of any organization making use of it," Mr. Mundie said in a
telephone interview this week.
I.B.M. in particular has been heavily marketing the free Linux operating
system.
Mr. Mundie does not identify I.B.M. by name in his speech, which was
provided beforehand, but he says that large companies are naïve in
adopting the open-source model.
"I would challenge you," he said, "to find a company who is a large
established enterprise, who at the end of the day would throw all of its
intellectual property into the open- source category."
An I.B.M. executive said that his company had considered the issues
surrounding the protection of intellectual property and had decided that
it was possible to follow both a proprietary and a shared business
model, even one based on the G.P.L.
The executive, Irving Wladawsky- Berger, an I.B.M. vice president, said,
"If we thought this was a trap, we wouldn't be doing it, and as you
know, we have a lot of lawyers."
In February, Jim Allchin, a software designer at Microsoft, became a
lightning rod for industry criticism when he said in an interview with
Bloomberg News that freely distributed software code could stifle
innovation and that legislators should be aware of the threat.
Mr. Mundie said he would elaborate on Mr. Allchin's comments while also
trying to demonstrate that Microsoft already practices many of what he
called the best aspects of the open-source model.
"We have been going around the industry talking to people," Mr. Mundie
said, "and have been startled to find that people aren't very
sophisticated about the implications of what open source means." He
acknowledged that the open-source movement was making inroads.
"The news here is that Microsoft is engaging in a serious way in this
discussion," he said. "The open- source movement has continued to gather
momentum in a P.R. sense and a product sense."
He said Microsoft was particularly concerned about the inroads that the
open-source idea was making in other countries.
"It's happening very, very broadly in a way that is troubling to us," he
said. "I could highlight a dozen countries around the world who have
open-source initiatives."
Mr. Mundie said that in his speech, he would break the open-source
strategy into five categories: community, standards, business model,
investment and licensing model. Microsoft, he said, in support of the
community ideal, already has what he called a shared-source philosophy,
which makes its source code available to hardware makers, software
developers, scientists, researchers and government agencies.
Microsoft would expand its sharing initiatives, he said. But he added
that the company's proprietary business model was a more effective way
to support industry standards than the open-source approach, which he
said could lead to a "forking" of the software base resulting in the
development of multiple incompatible versions of standard programs.
He cited the history of Unix, which has been replete with incompatible
versions. Although he acknowledged that the open-source approach had
created new technologies, he said that business models using the open-
source community were suspect.
"It is innovation that really drives growth," Mr. Mundie said, arguing
that without the sustained investment made possible by commercial
software, real innovation would not be possible.
He reserved his harshest criticism in the text of his speech for the
G.P.L., a software licensing model defined by programmer Richard M.
Stallman in 1984.
"This is not understood by many sophisticated people," Mr. Mundie said.
"The goal of the G.P.L. is sweeping up all of the intellectual property
that has been contributed. That creates many problems downstream, many
of which haven't come home to roost yet."
Mr. Stallman has made a distinction between the open-source software
movement and the G.P.L., which he designed as part of the free software
movement that he led.
In a response to Microsoft's Mr. Allchin in February, Mr. Stallman
wrote:"The free software movement was founded in 1984, but its
inspiration comes from the ideals of 1776: freedom, community and
voluntary cooperation. This is what leads to free enterprise, to free
speech, and to free software."
Today a proponent of the open- source software movement said he thought
that Microsoft was taking a clever approach in its challenge.
"It's very clever of them," said Eric Raymond, president of the Open
Source Initiative. "Instead of attacking the entire open-source
movement they've singled out the one license that is in a sense
politically controversial."
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* Re: OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of
2001-05-03 21:38 OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code Miles Lane
@ 2001-05-03 22:49 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 23:22 ` OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code J . A . Magallon
2001-05-08 2:48 ` RAID question Peter Waltenberg
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From: Alan Cox @ 2001-05-03 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Miles Lane; +Cc: linux-kernel
> The executive, Irving Wladawsky- Berger, an I.B.M. vice president, said,
> "If we thought this was a trap, we wouldn't be doing it, and as you
> know, we have a lot of lawyers."
I loved that. Its in my fortune file now ;)
Alan
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* Re: OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code
2001-05-03 21:38 OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code Miles Lane
2001-05-03 22:49 ` OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Alan Cox
@ 2001-05-03 23:22 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-05-08 2:48 ` RAID question Peter Waltenberg
2 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: J . A . Magallon @ 2001-05-03 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Miles Lane; +Cc: linux-kernel
On 05.03 Miles Lane wrote:
> Sorry for sending a link to a (albeit, free) subcription
> service earlier. Here's the text of the article, in case
> you are interested in Microsoft's latest shinanigans.
>
>
> away in an effort to attract visitors to Web sites. G.P.L. requires
> that any software using source code already covered by the licensing
> agreement must become available for free distribution.
>
AFAIK, GPL only forces you to distribute the source of the GPLed parts
of your soft, not everything.
PLEASE, could any good writer post a commented-rationale of the GPL to
NYT ?
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mailto:jamagallon@able.es
Linux Mandrake release 8.1 (Cooker) for i586
Linux werewolf 2.4.4-ac4 #1 SMP Thu May 3 21:05:41 CEST 2001 i686
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* RAID question
2001-05-03 21:38 OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code Miles Lane
2001-05-03 22:49 ` OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Alan Cox
2001-05-03 23:22 ` OT: Here's the article text -- Microsoft Is Set to Be Top Foe of Free Code J . A . Magallon
@ 2001-05-08 2:48 ` Peter Waltenberg
2001-05-08 15:07 ` Jakob Østergaard
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From: Peter Waltenberg @ 2001-05-08 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
We have a RAID 5 system thats had 2 of 6 disks in the RAID go into thermal
shutdown. (Air-con failure).
The disks are functional, but the RAID won't restart because the superblock
timestamps on those two disks are now out of step with the rest of the array and
there aren't enough "good" disks to reconstruct the array.
We know there was very little activity when this happened.
Does anyone out there know of a way to hack the superblocks on the "bad" disks
to force them to appear to be O.K. so that the RAID will restart.
Thanks
Peter
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* Re: RAID question
2001-05-08 2:48 ` RAID question Peter Waltenberg
@ 2001-05-08 15:07 ` Jakob Østergaard
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From: Jakob Østergaard @ 2001-05-08 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Waltenberg; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:48:25PM +1000, Peter Waltenberg wrote:
> We have a RAID 5 system thats had 2 of 6 disks in the RAID go into thermal
> shutdown. (Air-con failure).
>
> The disks are functional, but the RAID won't restart because the superblock
> timestamps on those two disks are now out of step with the rest of the array and
> there aren't enough "good" disks to reconstruct the array.
>
> We know there was very little activity when this happened.
>
> Does anyone out there know of a way to hack the superblocks on the "bad" disks
> to force them to appear to be O.K. so that the RAID will restart.
As documented in the HOWTO (http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO), you should
re-run mkraid after making dead sure that your raidtab still corrosponds to the
RAID on your disks (it usually does unless someone screwed it up).
Run fsck on the RAID after mkraid.
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