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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Tom Rini <trini@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	CML2 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:31:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010507213140.I16535@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010505192731.A2374@thyrsus.com> <E14wO7g-000240-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010507105950.A771@opus.bloom.county>
In-Reply-To: <20010507105950.A771@opus.bloom.county>; from trini@kernel.crashing.org on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:59:50AM -0700

Tom Rini <trini@kernel.crashing.org>:
> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:58:49PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > # These were separate questions in CML1
> > > derive MAC_SCC from MAC & SERIAL
> > > derive MAC_SCSI from MAC & SCSI
> > > derive SUN3_SCSI from (SUN3 | SUN3X) & SCSI
> > 
> > Not all Mac's use the SCC if they have serial
> > Not all Mac's use the same SCSI controller
> 
> Yes, but in this case 'MAC' means m68k mac, which this _might_ be valid, but
> I never did get Linux up and running on the m68ks I had..

Exactly.  In fact we can be more specific -- the "Macintoshes" in
question are the old-fashioned NuBus-based 68k toaster boxes, not the
more recent designs with a PCI bus.  Relevant stuff in the
Configure.help implies that MAC_SCC and MAC_SCSI enable support for
the on-board hardware built into those puppies.
 
> But Alan's point is a good one.  There are _lots_ of cases you can't get away
> with things like this, unless you get very fine grained.  In fact, it would
> be much eaiser to do this seperately from the kernel.  Ie another, 
> possibly/probably _not_ inkernel config tool which asks what machine you
> have, picks lots of sane defaults and setups a kernel config for you.  This
> is _sort of_ what PPC does right now with the large number of 'default 
> configs' (arch/ppc/configs).

You're really talking about a different issue here,  autoconfiguration
rather than static dependencies.  Giacomo Catenazzi is working on that.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what 
the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An 
armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the 
final defense against tyranny.
   If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only 
the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of 
our rulers.  Only the government -- and a few outlaws.  I intend to 
be among the outlaws.
        -- Edward Abbey, "Abbey's Road", 1979

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-08  1:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08  9:44       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42       ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08  1:31     ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-05-08  1:43       ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08  1:56         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:57           ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08  7:00             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08  7:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15               ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-15 14:43     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17  7:26       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17  7:47         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17  9:35           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34             ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18  7:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18  8:20                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06                     ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09                     ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:01                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:17                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:22                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19  5:54                                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  1:49                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12                       ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34                         ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30                           ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47                             ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  5:44                           ` Ben Ford
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.990252541.15890.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-19  6:40                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10                               ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54                                   ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20  0:08                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:49                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34                               ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56                               ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14                                 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  0:45                                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  9:14                                   ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 21:10                                     ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  3:38                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 22:51                                     ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  1:13                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:41                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 20:38                                       ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22  0:59                                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22  9:24                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23  1:51                                             ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 13:45                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21                                         ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 17:17                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  3:33                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 20:59                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 18:31                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:59                       ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35                         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:07                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43                           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28                                 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 16:02                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12                 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32     ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37           ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51           ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00               ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15                 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21  0:29             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  1:58               ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21  6:33                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21  9:55                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59                   ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21  7:21                 ` arjan
2001-05-21  2:10               ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  2:35                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21  5:01                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21  9:58                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36                     ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:11                 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08                   ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39                       ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18                   ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21  3:47               ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 16:22           ` Steven Cole
     [not found]   ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
     [not found]     ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13       ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-13 16:44 Matthew Wilcox
     [not found] <mailman.990207420.8659.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-18 22:18 ` Pete Zaitcev

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