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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Tom Rini <trini@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>,
	Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	CML2 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:43:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518034307.A10784@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010517032636.A1109@thyrsus.com> <28870.990085661@kao2.melbourne.sgi.com> <20010517053549.A17562@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010517093411.A12740@opus.bloom.county>
In-Reply-To: <20010517093411.A12740@opus.bloom.county>; from trini@kernel.crashing.org on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0700

Tom Rini <trini@kernel.crashing.org>:
> > > SCSI emulation over IDE, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI.  You have the SCSI mid
> > > layer code but no SCSI hardware drivers.  It is a realistic case for an
> > > embedded CD-RW appliance.
> > 
> > Or alternatively, you want to enable SCSI code, with no hardware driver,
> > because you are going to build pcmcia, which builds the scsi drivers only
> > if CONFIG_SCSI is defined, and the user might put in an Adaptec 1460B or
> > 1480 scsi card into your pcmcia slot.
> 
> Both of these 'problems' assume that you can have IDE or PCMCIA on these
> particular boxes.  Does anyone know if that's actually true?

The answer is: no, you can't.  

I found a feature list for the MVME147 on the web at
<http://www.mcg.mot.com/cfm/templates/article.cfm?PageID=1095>.  It
confirmed what thought I remembered from the Motorola site; no PCMCIA,
no IDE/ATAPI.  As a matter of fact neither of these technologies
existed yet when the board was being designed in the mid-1980s.

(The article I found is kind of interesting.  It's a dissection of the
MVME147's design and history...narrated in first person.)

In any case, if this *had* been a problem, the right fix IMO would have
been to split the SCSI symbol into SCSI and SCSI_DRIVERS and have
constraints that would make SCSI and the presence of any SCSI card 
imply SCSI_DRIVERS.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably
by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for
the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot
be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime
in this country is closely connected with this.
	-- Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921

  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-18  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08  9:44       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42       ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08  1:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  1:43       ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08  1:56         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:57           ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08  7:00             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08  7:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15               ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-15 14:43     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17  7:26       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17  7:47         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17  9:35           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34             ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18  7:43               ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-05-18  8:20                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06                     ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09                     ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:01                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:17                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:22                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19  5:54                                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  1:49                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12                       ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34                         ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30                           ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47                             ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  5:44                           ` Ben Ford
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.990252541.15890.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-19  6:40                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10                               ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54                                   ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20  0:08                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:49                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34                               ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56                               ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14                                 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  0:45                                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  9:14                                   ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 21:10                                     ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  3:38                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 22:51                                     ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  1:13                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:41                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 20:38                                       ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22  0:59                                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22  9:24                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23  1:51                                             ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 13:45                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21                                         ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 17:17                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  3:33                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 20:59                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 18:31                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:59                       ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35                         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:07                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43                           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28                                 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 16:02                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12                 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32     ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37           ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51           ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00               ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15                 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21  0:29             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  1:58               ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21  6:33                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21  9:55                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59                   ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21  7:21                 ` arjan
2001-05-21  2:10               ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  2:35                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21  5:01                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21  9:58                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36                     ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:11                 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08                   ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39                       ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18                   ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21  3:47               ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 16:22           ` Steven Cole
     [not found]   ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
     [not found]     ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13       ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-13 16:44 Matthew Wilcox
     [not found] <mailman.990207420.8659.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-18 22:18 ` Pete Zaitcev

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