From: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:37:26 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518113726.A29617@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010518034307.A10784@thyrsus.com> <E150fV9-0006q1-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010518105353.A13684@thyrsus.com> <3B053B9B.23286E6C@redhat.com> <20010518112625.A14309@thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010518112625.A14309@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:26:25AM -0400
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:26:25AM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> I'd like to break these assumptions. Or at the very least see how far
> they can be bent. I know this sounds crazy to a lot of hackers, but
> I think there's a certain amount of unhelpful elitism and self-puffery
> in the "kernels are hard to configure and they *should* be hard to
> configure* attitude. Let's give Aunt Tillie a chance to surprise us.
Don't get me wrong. I'm NOT opposed to having a config tool everyone and
their aunt can use. I'm opposed to that tool taking away the options expert
users have to do what they know is right for them.
Thankfully, decent tools for novice users already exists, in the KDE project
for example. And if the tool is missing a few things, please improve it
instead of forking a new tool with the same goal.
Greetings,
Arjan van de Ven
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-05-18 15:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08 9:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08 1:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 1:43 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08 1:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 6:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08 7:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 6:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08 7:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-15 14:43 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 7:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17 7:47 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17 9:35 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18 7:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 8:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06 ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19 5:54 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 1:49 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34 ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30 ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47 ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 5:44 ` Ben Ford
[not found] ` <mailman.990252541.15890.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-19 6:40 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20 0:08 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2001-05-18 15:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 0:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 9:14 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 21:10 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 3:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 22:51 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 1:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 6:41 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 20:38 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 0:59 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22 9:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23 1:51 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 13:45 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 17:17 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 3:33 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 18:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:59 ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 16:02 ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37 ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51 ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21 0:29 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 1:58 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 6:33 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21 9:55 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 7:21 ` arjan
2001-05-21 2:10 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 2:35 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21 5:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21 9:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 6:11 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39 ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 3:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 16:22 ` Steven Cole
[not found] ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
[not found] ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13 ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
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2001-05-13 16:44 Matthew Wilcox
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2001-05-18 22:18 ` Pete Zaitcev
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