From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:37:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:37:43 -0400 Received: from nat-pool-meridian.redhat.com ([199.183.24.200]:46842 "EHLO devserv.devel.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:37:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:37:26 -0400 From: Arjan van de Ven To: "Eric S. Raymond" Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up Message-ID: <20010518113726.A29617@devserv.devel.redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20010518034307.A10784@thyrsus.com> <20010518105353.A13684@thyrsus.com> <3B053B9B.23286E6C@redhat.com> <20010518112625.A14309@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010518112625.A14309@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:26:25AM -0400 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:26:25AM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > I'd like to break these assumptions. Or at the very least see how far > they can be bent. I know this sounds crazy to a lot of hackers, but > I think there's a certain amount of unhelpful elitism and self-puffery > in the "kernels are hard to configure and they *should* be hard to > configure* attitude. Let's give Aunt Tillie a chance to surprise us. Don't get me wrong. I'm NOT opposed to having a config tool everyone and their aunt can use. I'm opposed to that tool taking away the options expert users have to do what they know is right for them. Thankfully, decent tools for novice users already exists, in the KDE project for example. And if the tool is missing a few things, please improve it instead of forking a new tool with the same goal. Greetings, Arjan van de Ven