From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
CML2 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:58:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518115839.E14309@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1694.990198581@ocs3.ocs-net> <E150mM9-0007Fg-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <E150mM9-0007Fg-00@the-village.bc.nu>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 04:39:57PM +0100
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>:
> > In general this is the best option, if you create a non-standard
> > configuration for machine foo then it is your problem, not everybody
> > else's.
>
> Which makes CML2 inferior to CML1 again. Now if it could parse CML1 rulesets
> this whole discussion wouldn't be needed.
I think you're confusing a couple of different issues here, Alan. Even
supposing CML2 could parse CML1 rulesets, the design question about how
configuration *should* work (that is, what kind of user experience we
want to create and who we optimize ruleset design for) wouldn't go away.
I'm raising these questions now because CML2's capabilities invite
thinking about them. But they're independent of the underlying language.
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
To stay young requires the unceasing cultivation of the ability to
unlearn old falsehoods.
-- Lazarus Long
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-05-18 16:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08 9:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08 1:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 1:43 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08 1:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 6:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08 7:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 6:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08 7:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-15 14:43 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 7:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17 7:47 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17 9:35 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18 7:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 8:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06 ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-05-18 16:01 ` [kbuild-devel] " Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19 5:54 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 1:49 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34 ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30 ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47 ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 5:44 ` Ben Ford
[not found] ` <mailman.990252541.15890.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-19 6:40 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20 0:08 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 0:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 9:14 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 21:10 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 3:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 22:51 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 1:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 6:41 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 20:38 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 0:59 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22 9:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23 1:51 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 13:45 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 17:17 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 3:33 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 18:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:59 ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 16:02 ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37 ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51 ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21 0:29 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 1:58 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 6:33 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21 9:55 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 7:21 ` arjan
2001-05-21 2:10 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 2:35 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21 5:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21 9:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 6:11 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39 ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 3:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 16:22 ` Steven Cole
[not found] ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
[not found] ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13 ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-18 17:11 [kbuild-devel] " Wayne.Brown
2001-05-18 20:04 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-18 20:43 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 20:56 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 22:52 Wayne.Brown
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