From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:18:38 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:18:28 -0400 Received: from snark.tuxedo.org ([207.106.50.26]:12553 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:18:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:17:07 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up Message-ID: <20010518131707.N14309@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20010518115839.E14309@thyrsus.com> <20010518123413.I14309@thyrsus.com> <3B0551B4.CB251F64@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B0551B4.CB251F64@redhat.com>; from arjanv@redhat.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 05:45:40PM +0100 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Arjan van de Ven : > I hereby volunteer to maintain at least make oldconfig and make config, > and perhaps make menuconfig. That's the easy part; the CML1 config code may be ugly and broken, but at least it's relatively stable. What you'd also have to do is maintain an entire CML1 ruleset in parallel with the canonical CML2 one. That's the hard part. I've been keeping the CML2 ruleset synced with CML1 for a year now. It's been an ugly, nasty, horrible job -- *much* nastier, by an order of magnitude, than designing and writing the CML2 engine. Going the other direction would be worse. "Like chewing razor blades" is the simile that leaps to mind. (And no, dropping back to CML1 format for the masters wouldn't be an option; it doesn't have the semantic strength to enable CML2's new capabilities.) -- Eric S. Raymond Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible. -- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960