From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>, Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
volodya@mindspring.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Stephen Tweedie <sct@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] SMP race in ext2 - metadata corruption.
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:46:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518154635.B10515@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010506153218.A11911@tapu.f00f.org> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105052338580.26799-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <20010507184224.A32@(none)> <01051116544400.01990@starship>
In-Reply-To: <01051116544400.01990@starship>; from phillips@bonn-fries.net on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:54:44PM +0200
Hi,
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> The only reasonable way I can think of getting a block-coherent view
> underneath a mounted fs is to have a reverse map, and update it each
> time we map block into the page cache or unmap it.
It's called the "buffer cache", and Ingo's early page-cache code in
2.3 actually did install page-cache backing buffers into the buffer
cache as aliases, mainly for debugging purposes.
Even without that, though, an application can achieve almost-coherency
via invalidation of the buffer cache before reading it. And yes, this
won't necessarily remain coherent over the lifetime of the application
process, but then unless the filesystem is 100% quiescent then you
don't get that on 2.2 either.
Which is rather the point. If the filesystem is active, then
coherency cannot be obtained at the block-device level in any case
without knowledge of the fs transaction activity. If the filesystem
is quiescent, then you can sync it and flush the buffer cache and you
already get the coherency that you need.
Cheers,
Stephen
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-05-18 14:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-04-26 15:45 [PATCH] SMP race in ext2 - metadata corruption Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 18:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 18:24 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 19:00 ` Chris Mason
2001-04-26 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-26 19:08 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 19:17 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 20:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 19:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 19:34 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 19:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 19:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-26 20:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 20:49 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-26 21:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 23:25 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-27 0:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-27 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-27 0:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 21:13 ` Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2001-04-27 18:02 ` LA Walsh
2001-04-27 18:17 ` dek_ml
2001-04-27 7:58 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-04-27 13:23 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-27 14:32 ` Ville Herva
2001-04-27 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-27 19:22 ` Shane Wegner
2001-04-28 4:55 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-28 10:05 ` Jens Axboe
2001-04-27 14:29 ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-03 6:23 ` volodya
2001-05-03 9:29 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-04 11:40 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-04 11:56 ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-04 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-05-04 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-05 3:18 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-06 0:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-05-06 2:14 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-06 2:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-05-06 3:00 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-06 3:15 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-06 3:32 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-06 3:59 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-06 12:47 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-06 19:46 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-06 20:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 4:08 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-07 18:42 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-11 14:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 14:46 ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
2001-05-11 20:00 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-06 3:38 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-06 3:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-05-04 12:15 ` Marc SCHAEFER
2001-05-04 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-04 17:39 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-04 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-04 18:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-04 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-05 11:20 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-05 17:11 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-04 18:20 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-04 18:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-04 18:49 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-04 19:15 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-04 19:36 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-04 19:58 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-04 20:04 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-04 19:04 ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-05 13:52 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-05 18:12 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-08 13:46 ` volodya
2001-05-09 10:30 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-04 21:11 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-04 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-26 20:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 20:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-26 21:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-26 20:42 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-04-26 20:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-27 11:43 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-04-26 19:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104270953280.2067-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-04-27 17:36 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <3AE9A69B.D11F0BBD@evision-ventures.com>
2001-04-28 8:31 ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-04-28 13:20 ` Olaf Titz
2001-04-30 8:47 ` Neil Conway
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