From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:45:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:45:09 -0400 Received: from ns.caldera.de ([212.34.180.1]:59778 "EHLO ns.caldera.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:44:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:42:25 +0200 From: Christoph Hellwig To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Michael Meissner , Alan Cox , Tom Rini , Keith Owens , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up Message-ID: <20010518194225.A20327@caldera.de> Mail-Followup-To: Christoph Hellwig , "Eric S. Raymond" , Michael Meissner , Alan Cox , Tom Rini , Keith Owens , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <20010518105353.A13684@thyrsus.com> <20010518120434.F14309@thyrsus.com> <20010518180909.A10357@caldera.de> <20010518124355.A20191@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010518132235.O14309@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010518132235.O14309@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:22:35PM -0400 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:22:35PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Michael Meissner : > > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 06:09:09PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > Aunt Tillie shouldn't try to manually configure a kernel. > > > > Ummm, maybe Aunt Tillie wants to learn how to configure a kernel.... After > > all, all of us at one point in time were newbies in terms of configuring > > kernels, etc. > > And if she doesn't, maybe her teenage daughter Muffy wants to learn. You know, > the one with the unicorn appliques and the pink scrunchies and the Back Street > Boys posters in her bedroom? That's ok as long as she doesn't add backstreet boys songtexts as long as your signature to her mails. On the other hand she should _really_ learn how to do it - like we all did. > Dammit, if we're serious about empowering people with free software we can't > limit ourselves with the attitude that configuring kernels (or anything > else) is the sacred preserve of a geek elite. I see _no_ reason to give up my control for people with an attitude that configuring kernels will not need knowledge of what one is doing. Your point is basically: Lets rewrite the kernel in VBA to make every word user capable of driver hacking. That doesn't work. Christoph -- Auch der Dumme hat manchmal einen gescheiten Gedanken. Er merkt es nur nicht. -- Danny Kaye