From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 21 May 2001 13:56:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 21 May 2001 13:56:19 -0400 Received: from snark.tuxedo.org ([207.106.50.26]:1542 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 21 May 2001 13:56:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:58:57 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Wayne.Brown@altec.com Cc: David Woodhouse , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Message-ID: <20010521135857.B11361@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Wayne.Brown@altec.com, David Woodhouse , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <86256A53.0060ACF6.00@smtpnotes.altec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <86256A53.0060ACF6.00@smtpnotes.altec.com>; from Wayne.Brown@altec.com on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:36:48PM -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Wayne.Brown@altec.com : > Speaking from the perspective of a user of the CML tools, rather > than as a developer, all I've been trying to say is this: When I > type "make menuconfig" or "make oldconfig" in the future, I want to > see the same interface and the same results that I've always seen, > because it's always worked for me in the past. Visual details will differ, but I've been careful about maintaining functional compatibility. There was a phase of the development during which I was mostly processing feature requests from people who wanted features of the old system that I had not properly understood (such as the NEW tag). That phase ended almost a month ago. Nobody who has actually tried the CML2 tools more recently has reported that the UI changes present any difficulty. CML2 drops its configuration results in the same place, in the same formats, as CML1. So you should in fact be able to type `make menuconfig' and `make oldconfig' with good results. Have you actually tried this? -- Eric S. Raymond The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." -- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court