Just FYI...

Just FYI...

[David S. Miller]

vger.kernel.org is now ECN enabled.

Later,
David S. Miller
davem@redhat.com

Re: Just FYI...

[Michael Peddemors]

Hmmmm.. In principle this sounds good, but...

This doesn't seem to be in best interest.. Taking it to the extreme,
noone should code the linux kernel for buggy bios's, cards etc anymore
either..  We should all tell em to upgrade their hardware?

Almost every software application has made allowances for buggy or
non-compliance systems.  We should encourage their disuse, but should we
play god?

I still vote against anything that prevents someone from contributing to
the linux kernel, the movement, and since these mailing lists are the
'official' way of contributing, aren't we going to far?

Our way or the highway sentiment seems more in keeping with corporate
attitudes than with the 'open' attitudes that the open source movement
fosters.

Just My Humble Opinion...

On 21 May 2001 18:04:01 -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
> 
> vger.kernel.org is now ECN enabled.
> 
> Later,
> David S. Miller
> davem@redhat.com
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Re: Just FYI...

[Dr. Michael Weller]

On 22 May 2001, Michael Peddemors wrote:

> Hmmmm.. In principle this sounds good, but...
> 
> This doesn't seem to be in best interest.. Taking it to the extreme,
> noone should code the linux kernel for buggy bios's, cards etc anymore
> either..  We should all tell em to upgrade their hardware?
> 
> Almost every software application has made allowances for buggy or
> non-compliance systems.  We should encourage their disuse, but should we
> play god?

[...]

Afaik, ECN can still be disabled to support buggy system. Enableing it by
default is a 'political' statement in the sense that we expect use
of the standard. Unfortunately the linux kernel can't detect miscompliance
on its own (if a site explicitly says: I don't support ECN this would be
already standard compliant).

I don't know about the benefits of the use of ECN, so I can't comment
if it makes sense to enable it by default on several distribs and here on
vger compared with the problems several people may experience.

It's an interesting experiment actually: Is the linux community powerful
enough to force vendors/people to fix their products and deploy updates to
comply to standards or can they just ignore it.
 
Michael.

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Re: Just FYI...

[john slee]

On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 06:02:12PM +0200, Dr. Michael Weller wrote:
> It's an interesting experiment actually: Is the linux community powerful
> enough to force vendors/people to fix their products and deploy updates to
> comply to standards or can they just ignore it.

largely the vendors have fixed it.  admins are often reluctant to touch
a known working configuration/patchlevel however.  don't blindly blame
the vendor.

j.

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