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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: softirq in pre3 and all linux ports
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:54:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010620055413.A849@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010619210312.Z11631@athlon.random> <15152.6527.366544.713462@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
In-Reply-To: <15152.6527.366544.713462@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>; from paulus@samba.org on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:33:19PM +1000

On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:33:19PM +1000, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> Well, I object to the "without thinking" bit. [..]

agreed, apologies.

> BHs disabled is buggy - why would you want to do that?  And if we do

tasklet_schedule

> want to allow that, shouldn't we put the check in raise_softirq or the
> equivalent, to get the minimum latency?

We should release the stack before running the softirq (some place uses
softirqs to release the stack and avoid overflows).

> Soft irqs should definitely not be much heavier than an irq handler,
> if they are then we have implemented them wrongly somehow.

ip + tcp are more intensive than just queueing a packet in a blacklog.
That's why they're not done in irq context in first place.

> ksoftirqd seems like the wrong solution to the problem to me, if we
> really getting starved by softirqs then we need to look at whether
> whatever is doing it should be a kernel thread itself rather than
> doing it in softirqs.  Do you have a concrete example of the
> starvation/live lockup that you can describe to us?

I don't have gigabit ethernet so I cannot flood my boxes to death.
But I think it's real, and a softirq marking itself runnable again is
another case to handle without live lockups or starvation.

Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-20  3:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-19 19:03 softirq in pre3 and all linux ports Andrea Arcangeli
2001-06-20  3:33 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-06-20  3:54   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2001-06-20  4:00     ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20  4:07       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-06-20 18:06         ` kuznet
2001-06-20 22:10           ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 23:16             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-06-21 16:58             ` kuznet
2001-06-20 12:18     ` Paul Mackerras
2001-06-20 12:52       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-06-20 18:16   ` kuznet

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