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From: Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher@datastacks.com>
To: linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: university studies?
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:45:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010802114507.A11764@mueller.datastacks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108020438460.8206-100000@terbidium.openservices.net> <3B693B46.585CC416@bilten.metu.edu.tr>
In-Reply-To: <3B693B46.585CC416@bilten.metu.edu.tr>; from muzaffer.ozakca@bilten.metu.edu.tr on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 02:36:38PM +0300

++ 02/08/01 14:36 +0300 - Muzaffer Ozakca:
> 
> I don't think, one should learn all the "hot" languages of the day to
> become a good programmer. A computer science student should (and will)
> learn the theoretical background that lays beneath. Data structures,
> graph theory, computational linguistics, compiler theory, OS, AI, so on.

Hmm. Thank you, Knuth.

> Practical studies such as programming projects will let the students
> solid the theory. These thoughts are not actually mine, most of the
> computer science departments -more or less- follow a cirriculum
> appreciating these ideas, I think. However, a kernel (or systems)
> programmer should also know basics of microprocessors, interrupts, etc.
> and programming in assembly, besides the theory given in a university.

They also need to understand large parts of security, and system API
design.

> After getting the theory and completing the understanding by practice,
> learning a programming language is just a detail.

I disagree. This is equivalent to saying, once I am an archetect, it is
easy for me to build houses. Tools and practices take incredible amounts
of time to master. Languages take years, and learning the
non-algorithmic parts of hacking, like techniques for keeping namespaces
clean, or designing APIs to be extensible, or just tracking code; all
these are time devouring.

> Always solving problems "C" style, may not be the best approach,
> a functional language may better suit the needs -usually not in our course.

But, ultimately, computers are procedural. FP helps /prove/ algorithms,
but it is a terible way to actually run them.

-- 
Crutcher        <crutcher@datastacks.com>
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-02 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-01  5:22 university studies?  peter revill
2001-08-01  7:06 ` Riley Williams
2001-08-01 11:46   ` Erik Mouw
2001-08-01 14:12     ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-01 19:31       ` Anders Peter Fugmann
2001-08-02  7:24     ` Riley Williams
2001-08-02  8:48       ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-02 11:36         ` Muzaffer Ozakca
2001-08-02 15:45           ` Crutcher Dunnavant [this message]
2001-08-02 17:12           ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-02 15:42       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-02 18:13       ` Brad Stewart
2001-08-02 18:23         ` Alan Cox
2001-08-02 18:46           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-08-03 10:05           ` Matthew Gardiner
2001-08-03 10:51             ` szonyi calin
2001-08-03 13:02               ` asmith
2001-08-03 14:32                 ` szonyi calin
2001-08-05 11:32                   ` asmith
2001-08-05 14:09                     ` szonyi calin
2001-08-05 14:19                     ` (OT) " Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-06 10:05   ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-02  3:39 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-02  8:26 ` David Weinehall

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