From: Joseph Pingenot <jap3003@ksu.edu>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Paul G. Allen" <pgallen@randomlogic.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] DMCA loop hole
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:16:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010803171657.D11011@ksu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010803165221.C11011@ksu.edu> <E15Sn80-00044A-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: RE: [Re: [OT] DMCA loop hole]
>From Alan Cox on Friday, 03 August, 2001:
>> >From Paul G. Allen on Wednesday, 01 August, 2001:
>> >To take another angle, those of us who actively look for exploits in software (because companies like M$ fail to do so themselves) risk being sued for doing so.
>> Hrm. Very good point. However, under most EULA's I've seen, reverse
>> engineering is already a no-no.
>Most EULA's are not legal contracts. In civilised countries the right to
>disassemble is enshrined in law (ironically it comes in Europe from trying
>to keep car manufacturers from running monopolistic scams not from the
>software people doing the same)
Very true. However (I can only vouch for the USA, but I suspect it's
a similar situation elsewhere) the company with Loads o' Cash can keep
those of use with Loads o' Debt cowed and tied up in red tape and lawsuits
until we cry uncle.
>In the USA its a lot less clear. You can find laws explicitly claiming both,
>and since US law is primarily about who has loads of money, its a bit
>irrelevant
Heh. Criticism accepted. Maybe one of the prerequisites for running for
office should be Free Software / Open Source development. :) Seriously,
though, anyone listening interested in running for office? Maybe we should
start the Free Software Party.
-Joseph
--
Joseph==============================================jap3003@ksu.edu
"IBM were providing source code in the 1960's under similar terms.
VMS source code was available under limited licenses to customers
from the beginning. Microsoft are catching up with 1960."
--Alan Cox, http://www2.usermagnet.com/cox/index.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-08-03 22:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-08-01 4:14 [OT] DMCA loop hole James Simmons
2001-08-01 5:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-01 5:49 ` James Simmons
2001-08-01 9:40 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-08-01 10:47 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-01 11:16 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-08-01 6:44 ` Joshua Jore
2001-08-01 13:54 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-01 17:18 ` [very OT] " Garett Spencley
2001-08-01 20:40 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-02 0:14 ` [OT] " Paul G. Allen
2001-08-03 21:52 ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-08-03 22:09 ` Alan Cox
2001-08-03 22:16 ` Joseph Pingenot [this message]
2001-08-03 22:45 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-08-03 22:31 ` nick
2001-08-03 22:46 ` Alan Shutko
2001-08-03 23:45 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-08-03 22:51 ` Mike Harrold
2001-08-03 23:14 ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-04 0:51 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-08-04 1:34 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-11 12:10 ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-14 7:07 ` Joshua b. Jore
2001-08-14 12:36 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-14 13:17 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-08-14 14:32 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-14 22:13 ` Paul G. Allen
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